Category talk:DEC VAX Systems - Revision history

Jnc: /* Duplication of "VAX" categories? */ Category:VAX Families was created, which does more or less what Category: VAX Series would have done

2024-08-12T15:22:24Z

‎Duplication of "VAX" categories?: Category:VAX Families was created, which does more or less what Category: VAX Series would have done

Jnc: And a few I missed

2024-08-11T22:45:52Z

And a few I missed

Jnc: Convert cat links to new names, so there aren't a lot of red links here

2024-08-11T22:33:05Z

Convert cat links to new names, so there aren't a lot of red links here

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Jnc: Jnc moved page Category talk:DEC VAX systems to Category talk:DEC VAX Systems without leaving a redirect: Spell cat name canonically

2024-06-02T00:50:52Z

Jnc moved page Category talk:DEC VAX systems to Category talk:DEC VAX Systems without leaving a redirect: Spell cat name canonically

Jnc: /* Use of 'functional group' categories */ typo

2024-05-31T13:35:38Z

‎Use of 'functional group' categories: typo

Jnc: /* The basic scheme */ 'Category:Personal VAX Systems'] is a little clunky; maybe 'Category:VAX Personal Systems would be better

2024-05-31T13:33:28Z

‎The basic scheme: 'Category:Personal VAX Systems'] is a little clunky; maybe 'Category:VAX Personal Systems would be better

Jnc: /* Use of 'functional group' categories */ Only put 'DEC formal group categories' here?

2024-05-25T12:37:14Z

‎Use of 'functional group' categories: Only put 'DEC formal group categories' here?

Jnc: /* Use of 'functional group' categories */ new section

2024-05-24T19:12:55Z

‎Use of 'functional group' categories: new section

Jnc: /* The basic scheme */ Category:Personal VAXen is done too; so, almost all the 'VAXen' categories are fixed, except Category:VAXen

2024-05-24T03:42:49Z

‎The basic scheme: Category:Personal VAXen is done too; so, almost all the 'VAXen' categories are fixed, except Category:VAXen

Jnc: /* The basic scheme */ Category:MicroVAXen done, also Category:QBUS VAXen

2024-05-23T14:03:31Z

‎The basic scheme: Category:MicroVAXen done, also Category:QBUS VAXen

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 : I will leave, for now, the idea of having a [[:Category: VAX Series]]; but I will probably come back to it as some point.
 : I will look at those errors you pointed out; I agree they are probably wrong. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 18:54, 22 May 2023 (CEST)
 : As you perhaps saw, doing them now. Will finish tomorrow morning. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 02:46, 24 May 2023 (CEST)

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 :: I've been turning this over in my mind. [[:Category: Big VAX computers]] is not great; 'big' means very different things to different people, so that category name won't put a clear idea in people's minds. However, going from the precedent of [[:Category: Mainframe VAX computers]], which does give a clear idea (I think), how about [[:Category: Supermini VAX computers]]? (The remaining ones left after that we can think about. :-)
-:: Also, I'm going to create a new, special category, [[:Category: VAX Families]], so that all the 'family' pages have a place to go, other than just [[:Category: VAXen]], where they are now. That can go in [[:Category: VAXen]], and also [[:Category: DEC VAX systems]], to help finding them. Comments? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 20:17, 1 January 2024 (CET)
+:: Also, I'm going to create a new, special category, [[:Category: VAX Families]], so that all the 'family' pages have a place to go, other than just [[:Category: VAX]], where they are now. That can go in [[:Category: VAX]], and also [[:Category: DEC VAX Systems]], to help finding them. Comments? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 20:17, 1 January 2024 (CET)
-:: Ok, [[:Category: VAX Families]] is done, so [[:Category: VAX]] is now not so full. Also, I decided to set up [[:Category:QBUS VAXen]] (by analogy with [[:Category:QBUS PDP-11s]]), but I have only just started to tag all the VAXen that use a QBUS for their I/O bus. That'll get done slowly - no rush.
+:: Ok, [[:Category: VAX Families]] is done, so [[:Category: VAX]] is now not so full. Also, I decided to set up [[:Category:QBUS VAX Systems]] (by analogy with [[:Category:QBUS PDP-11s]]), but I have only just started to tag all the VAXen that use a QBUS for their I/O bus. That'll get done slowly - no rush.
 :: I still would like to get feedback on the latest ideas for the cats to split [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]] up into. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:37, 2 January 2024 (CET)
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 Inclusions in the first groups will be purely based on the DEC formal names; inclusions in the second groups will be purely based on common sense. (Oh, and I think I'm going to rename that last one to [[:Category:Mainframe VAXen]], so it looks like the other ones.)
-Exactly how to tie them in to the existing VAX category structure is the question. There are two possibilities: i) put them in [[:Category:VAXen‎]] (which I take to be the absolute top-level category for ''everything'' VAX-related), and ii) in [[:Category:DEC VAX Systems]]). I am still turning over in my mind how to handle this; if they are all put in ''both'', one of those two categories would be redundant. At the moment I am thinking that all the first groups ('formal'), along with [[:Category:VAX Families]], should go in 'VAX systems', because they are subsets of the set of all 'VAX systems'; the other groups ('functional') should go in 'VAXen' (and maybe in 'VAX systems' too, to make them easy to find - which is, after all, the ''main point'' of the whole category system).
+Exactly how to tie them in to the existing VAX category structure is the question. There are two possibilities: i) put them in [[:Category:VAX‎]] (which I take to be the absolute top-level category for ''everything'' VAX-related), and ii) in [[:Category:DEC VAX Systems]]). I am still turning over in my mind how to handle this; if they are all put in ''both'', one of those two categories would be redundant. At the moment I am thinking that all the first groups ('formal'), along with [[:Category:VAX Families]], should go in 'VAX systems', because they are subsets of the set of all 'VAX systems'; the other groups ('functional') should go in 'VAXen' (and maybe in 'VAX systems' too, to make them easy to find - which is, after all, the ''main point'' of the whole category system).
 It will take a lot of work to make this all happen; I'm not going to do a big 'thrash', to make this happen as quickly as possible, but instead I will just work away at it slowly. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 18:53, 6 May 2024 (CEST)

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 So, should 'functional group' categories like [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]] and [[:Category:VAX Mainframes]] contain individual models, or just 'DEC formal groups' (like [[:Category:VAX 4000 Systems]])? The advantage of putting individual models in functional group categories is that if there is a DEC formal group which has members that are in several different functional groups, we can handle that; the disadvantage is that it is more work (to do each model). On the other hand, is there a DEC formal group that has models that would fall in two functional groups? I suppose there might be some small machines (e.g. the 3100's) which go in both [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]]. (The [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] are different hardware from the [[:Category:VAX 4000 Systems]], so they won't have that problem.)
-After thinking about it, I suppose we could do both, as needed; e.g we could put the whole [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] in [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], while the 3100's could be split up, as individual articles, between [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems], by model.
+After thinking about it, I suppose we could do both, as needed; e.g we could put the whole [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] in [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], while the 3100's could be split up, as individual articles, between [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], by model.
 : We had to do that already, with the VAX-11/7xx pages; the 780 is clearly a supermini, while the 730 is clearly a mini. (I will have to get advice in the 750! :-) [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 14:36, 25 May 2024 (CEST)

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	: It turns out DEC does not seem to have a one-word plural for 'VAX'! I looked through a bunch of DEC marketing brochures, etc, and the common plural seems to be "VAX systems" (occasionally "VAX computers"). So maybe we should have [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], or [[:Category:Personal VAX Computers]], then? But I ditched [[:Category:Mainframe VAX Computers]] because it was too long? Let me go away and ponder this for a while. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:51, 13 May 2024 (CEST)		: It turns out DEC does not seem to have a one-word plural for 'VAX'! I looked through a bunch of DEC marketing brochures, etc, and the common plural seems to be "VAX systems" (occasionally "VAX computers"). So maybe we should have [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], or [[:Category:Personal VAX Computers]], then? But I ditched [[:Category:Mainframe VAX Computers]] because it was too long? Let me go away and ponder this for a while. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:51, 13 May 2024 (CEST)
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		+	:: [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]] is a ''little'' clunky. I can see why [[:Category:VAX Personal Computers]] was a bad idea, but maybe [[:Category:VAX Personal Systems]] is the way to go - it would have the words in the same order as all the other VAX 'functional' groups. (I simply cannot think of a two-word alternative; sorry!!) It would be easy to change, too, as there are less than a dozen members. I'll ponder it for a day or so, to leave time for feedback. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 15:32, 31 May 2024 (CEST)

	: So we don't have categories for some 'DEC formal groups', which we need to have if the machines are to be easy to find via [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]] (which we are moving them out of). Without such categories, people will have to look through [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]], etc, to find some machines. We do have [[:Category:VAXstations‎]], etc, so ''some'' of the machines have 'formal group' categories they can go in, but not all of them do. The downside of trying to have all the machines in 'formal group' categories is that we'll have to come up with the 'missing' group names. I guess I may take a crack at creating them as we move individual machines out of [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]].		: So we don't have categories for some 'DEC formal groups', which we need to have if the machines are to be easy to find via [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]] (which we are moving them out of). Without such categories, people will have to look through [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]], etc, to find some machines. We do have [[:Category:VAXstations‎]], etc, so ''some'' of the machines have 'formal group' categories they can go in, but not all of them do. The downside of trying to have all the machines in 'formal group' categories is that we'll have to come up with the 'missing' group names. I guess I may take a crack at creating them as we move individual machines out of [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]].

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 So, should 'functional group' categories like [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]] and [[:Category:VAX Mainframes]] contain individual models, or just 'DEC formal groups' (like [[:Category:VAX 4000 Systems]])? The advantage of putting individual models in functional group categories is that if there is a DEC formal group which has members that are in several different functional groups, we can handle that; the disadvantage is that it is more work (to do each model). On the other hand, is there a DEC formal group that has models that would fall in two functional groups? I suppose there might be some small machines (e.g. the 3100's) which go in both [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]]. (The [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] are different hardware from the [[:Category:VAX 4000 Systems]], so they won't have that problem.)
-After thinking about it, I suppose we could do both, as needed; e.g we could put the whole [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] in [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], while the 3100's could be split up between [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems], by model.
+After thinking about it, I suppose we could do both, as needed; e.g we could put the whole [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] in [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], while the 3100's could be split up, as individual articles, between [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems], by model.
 On another point, if we ever want to tweak the category structure, it would probably be easier if most models are only in DEC formal group categories (so we can just move those around, instead of having to move individual models around). On the gripping hand, we're unlikely to move models from one functional group to another. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 21:12, 24 May 2024 (CEST)

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	: [[:Category:MicroVAXen]] done, also [[:Category:QBUS VAXen]] (which I had missed, above. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (CEST) And also [[:Category:Personal VAXen]]; that wound up at [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], which is a bit clunky, but I could not think of anything better. So, almost all the 'VAXen' categories are fixed, except [[:Category:VAXen]]. I am leaving [[:Category:VAXservers]] and [[:Category:VAXstations]], since those are sort of legitimate. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 05:42, 24 May 2024 (CEST)		: [[:Category:MicroVAXen]] done, also [[:Category:QBUS VAXen]] (which I had missed, above. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (CEST) And also [[:Category:Personal VAXen]]; that wound up at [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], which is a bit clunky, but I could not think of anything better. So, almost all the 'VAXen' categories are fixed, except [[:Category:VAXen]]. I am leaving [[:Category:VAXservers]] and [[:Category:VAXstations]], since those are sort of legitimate. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 05:42, 24 May 2024 (CEST)
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		+	== Use of 'functional group' categories ==
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		+	So, should 'functional group' categories like [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]] and [[:Category:VAX Mainframes]] contain individual models, or just 'DEC formal groups' (like [[:Category:VAX 4000 Systems]])? The advantage of putting individual models in functional group categories is that if there is a DEC formal group which has members that are in several different functional groups, we can handle that; the disadvantage is that it is more work (to do each model). On the other hand, is there a DEC formal group that has models that would fall in two functional groups? I suppose there might be some small machines (e.g. the 3100's) which go in both [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]]. (The [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] are different hardware from the [[:Category:VAX 4000 Systems]], so they won't have that problem.)
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		+	After thinking about it, I suppose we could do both, as needed; e.g we could put the whole [[:Category:VAXstation 4000 Systems]] in [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], while the 3100's could be split up between [[:Category:VAX Minicomputers]] and [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems], by model.
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		+	On another point, if we ever want to tweak the category structure, it would probably be easier if most models are only in DEC formal group categories (so we can just move those around, instead of having to move individual models around). On the gripping hand, we're unlikely to move models from one functional group to another. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 21:12, 24 May 2024 (CEST)

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	: Almost all the 'DEC formal groups' I have created so far are named 'VAX xx Systems' (see note above about DEC's plural for 'VAX'). So maybe I'll make sure that ''all'' those categories have names of that form, as an informal tag for them? We'll have to rename [[:Category:MicroVAXen]], [[:Category:VAXservers]], and [[:Category:VAXstations]], to universally follow that scheme, but that shouldn't be so hard. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 03:12, 20 May 2024 (CEST)		: Almost all the 'DEC formal groups' I have created so far are named 'VAX xx Systems' (see note above about DEC's plural for 'VAX'). So maybe I'll make sure that ''all'' those categories have names of that form, as an informal tag for them? We'll have to rename [[:Category:MicroVAXen]], [[:Category:VAXservers]], and [[:Category:VAXstations]], to universally follow that scheme, but that shouldn't be so hard. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 03:12, 20 May 2024 (CEST)

−	: [[:Category:MicroVAXen]] done, also [[:Category:QBUS VAXen]] (which I had missed, above. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (CEST)	+	: [[:Category:MicroVAXen]] done, also [[:Category:QBUS VAXen]] (which I had missed, above. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (CEST) And also [[:Category:Personal VAXen]]; that wound up at [[:Category:Personal VAX Systems]], which is a bit clunky, but I could not think of anything better. So, almost all the 'VAXen' categories are fixed, except [[:Category:VAXen]]. I am leaving [[:Category:VAXservers]] and [[:Category:VAXstations]], since those are sort of legitimate. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 05:42, 24 May 2024 (CEST)

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	: And I wonder if we should have a 'DEC formal groups' category to put those categories in (as well as one for 'functional groups), instead of sticking them all in [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]], individually. That would certainly make life easier when we go to fix the name of that cat. I'll put off that decision for the moment; it won't be hard to do it in the future if we decide to do that. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 08:52, 18 May 2024 (CEST)		: And I wonder if we should have a 'DEC formal groups' category to put those categories in (as well as one for 'functional groups), instead of sticking them all in [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]], individually. That would certainly make life easier when we go to fix the name of that cat. I'll put off that decision for the moment; it won't be hard to do it in the future if we decide to do that. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 08:52, 18 May 2024 (CEST)

−	: Almost all the 'DEC formal groups' I have created so far are named 'VAX xx Systems' (see note above about DEC's plural for 'VAX'). So maybe I'll make sure that ''all'' those categories have ~~name~~ of that form, as an informal tag for them? We'll have to rename [[:Category:MicroVAXen]], [[:Category:VAXservers]], and [[:Category:VAXstations]], to universally follow that scheme, but that shouldn't be so hard. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 03:12, 20 May 2024 (CEST)	+	: Almost all the 'DEC formal groups' I have created so far are named 'VAX xx Systems' (see note above about DEC's plural for 'VAX'). So maybe I'll make sure that ''all'' those categories have names of that form, as an informal tag for them? We'll have to rename [[:Category:MicroVAXen]], [[:Category:VAXservers]], and [[:Category:VAXstations]], to universally follow that scheme, but that shouldn't be so hard. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 03:12, 20 May 2024 (CEST)
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		+	: [[:Category:MicroVAXen]] done, also [[:Category:QBUS VAXen]] (which I had missed, above. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (CEST)