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Jnc: /* Missing DF10 */ One is missing in this diagram

2025-09-23T09:29:11Z

Missing DF10: One is missing in this diagram

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	: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)		: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)

	[[Talk:ITS machine configurations#MC configuration]] records the identity of the boxes in the lower left corner. Alas, we have no good image of the boxes in the upper left corner, so we don't know the order of those two boxes (the RH10 and its DF10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 00:49, 23 September 2025 (UTC)		[[Talk:ITS machine configurations#MC configuration]] records the identity of the boxes in the lower left corner (from the left: the TM10, its DF10 - missing in this diagram - the DL10, the 'I/O-11'). Alas, we have no good image of the boxes in the upper left corner, so we don't know the order of those two boxes (the RH10 and its DF10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 00:49, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

	== KL-UDGE ==		== KL-UDGE ==

Jnc: /* Missing DF10 */ The identity of the boxes in the lower left corner

2025-09-23T00:50:29Z

Missing DF10: The identity of the boxes in the lower left corner

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	: Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a [[DF10]] next to the TM10; you can see them both in [https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/still-image/2024/01/102803897-03-02-acc.jpg this image]. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at [[ITS machine configurations#MC KL10]], you can see it's listed there.		: Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a [[DF10]] next to the TM10; you can see them both in [https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/still-image/2024/01/102803897-03-02-acc.jpg this image]. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at [[ITS machine configurations#MC KL10]], you can see it's listed there.
	: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)		: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)

			[[Talk:ITS machine configurations#MC configuration]] records the identity of the boxes in the lower left corner. Alas, we have no good image of the boxes in the upper left corner, so we don't know the order of those two boxes (the RH10 and its DF10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 00:49, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

	== KL-UDGE ==		== KL-UDGE ==

Jnc: /* KL-UDGE */ Good image of the layout of things in the main I/O cabinet of the Model A KL10

2024-08-16T14:12:16Z

KL-UDGE: Good image of the layout of things in the main I/O cabinet of the Model A KL10

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	: Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way. I only drew in the two wide (I forget the exact width; it'll be in the PDP-10 documentation) cabinets, and left out the two 19-1/2" cabinets (one on each end). The one on the right is standard in KL10's; it always holds the boot front end. The drawing is actually accurate for the two wide bays; the CPU (Ebox and Mbox) is in the right-hand one; the left hand one holds the [[DMA20 Memory Bus Adapter\|DMA20]], [[DIA20 In/Out Bus Controller\|DIA20]], and [[DTE20 Ten-Eleven Interface\|DTE20]], and all the connectors associated therewith (I guess technically the DMA20 isn't "I/O", though). No [[RH20 MASSBUS controller\|RH20s]] on MC (they would be in that cabinet in a 'normal' KL10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 12:47, 15 August 2024 (CEST)		: Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way. I only drew in the two wide (I forget the exact width; it'll be in the PDP-10 documentation) cabinets, and left out the two 19-1/2" cabinets (one on each end). The one on the right is standard in KL10's; it always holds the boot front end. The drawing is actually accurate for the two wide bays; the CPU (Ebox and Mbox) is in the right-hand one; the left hand one holds the [[DMA20 Memory Bus Adapter\|DMA20]], [[DIA20 In/Out Bus Controller\|DIA20]], and [[DTE20 Ten-Eleven Interface\|DTE20]], and all the connectors associated therewith (I guess technically the DMA20 isn't "I/O", though). No [[RH20 MASSBUS controller\|RH20s]] on MC (they would be in that cabinet in a 'normal' KL10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 12:47, 15 August 2024 (CEST)

			: PS: There's a good image on pg. 77 of the PDF [http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp10/KL10/EK-108OU-PD-002_KL10-Based_Physical_Description_Mar77.pdf here] which shows the layout of things in the main I/O cabinet of the Model A KL10. The DIA20 and DMA20 are in the 'Bay 1 backplane'; the sole DTE20 is in the 'Bay 2 backplane'. (The next page has an image which shows where the RH20's would be.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:12, 16 August 2024 (CEST)

Jnc: /* KL-UDGE */ And the DTE20

2024-08-15T10:52:22Z

KL-UDGE: And the DTE20

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	According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 09:17, 15 August 2024 (CEST)		According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 09:17, 15 August 2024 (CEST)

	: Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way. I only drew in the two wide (I forget the exact width; it'll be in the PDP-10 documentation) cabinets, and left out the two 19-1/2" cabinets (one on each end). The one on the right is standard in KL10's; it always holds the boot front end. The drawing is actually accurate for the two wide bays; the CPU (Ebox and Mbox) is in the right-hand one; the left hand one holds the [[DMA20 Memory Bus Adapter\|DMA20]] ~~and~~ [[DIA20 In/Out Bus Controller\|DIA20]], and all the connectors associated therewith (I guess technically the DMA20 isn't "I/O", though). No [[RH20 MASSBUS controller\|RH20s]] on MC (they would be in that cabinet in a 'normal' KL10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 12:47, 15 August 2024 (CEST)		: Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way. I only drew in the two wide (I forget the exact width; it'll be in the PDP-10 documentation) cabinets, and left out the two 19-1/2" cabinets (one on each end). The one on the right is standard in KL10's; it always holds the boot front end. The drawing is actually accurate for the two wide bays; the CPU (Ebox and Mbox) is in the right-hand one; the left hand one holds the [[DMA20 Memory Bus Adapter\|DMA20]], [[DIA20 In/Out Bus Controller\|DIA20]], and [[DTE20 Ten-Eleven Interface\|DTE20]], and all the connectors associated therewith (I guess technically the DMA20 isn't "I/O", though). No [[RH20 MASSBUS controller\|RH20s]] on MC (they would be in that cabinet in a 'normal' KL10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 12:47, 15 August 2024 (CEST)

Jnc: /* KL-UDGE */ Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way

2024-08-15T10:48:51Z

KL-UDGE: Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way

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	According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 09:17, 15 August 2024 (CEST)		According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 09:17, 15 August 2024 (CEST)

			: Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way. I only drew in the two wide (I forget the exact width; it'll be in the PDP-10 documentation) cabinets, and left out the two 19-1/2" cabinets (one on each end). The one on the right is standard in KL10's; it always holds the boot front end. The drawing is actually accurate for the two wide bays; the CPU (Ebox and Mbox) is in the right-hand one; the left hand one holds the [[DMA20 Memory Bus Adapter\|DMA20]] and [[DIA20 In/Out Bus Controller\|DIA20]], and all the connectors associated therewith (I guess technically the DMA20 isn't "I/O", though). No [[RH20 MASSBUS controller\|RH20s]] on MC (they would be in that cabinet in a 'normal' KL10). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 12:47, 15 August 2024 (CEST)

Larsbrinkhoff: /* KL-UDGE */ Signed my me.

2024-08-15T07:17:47Z

KL-UDGE: Signed my me.

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	== KL-UDGE ==		== KL-UDGE ==

	According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O.		According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 09:17, 15 August 2024 (CEST)

Larsbrinkhoff: Link to those photos.

2024-08-15T07:17:28Z

Link to those photos.

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	== KL-UDGE ==		== KL-UDGE ==

	According to photos that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O.		According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O.

Larsbrinkhoff: KL-UDGE position.

2024-08-15T07:16:48Z

KL-UDGE position.

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	: Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a [[DF10]] next to the TM10; you can see them both in [https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/still-image/2024/01/102803897-03-02-acc.jpg this image]. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at [[ITS machine configurations#MC KL10]], you can see it's listed there.		: Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a [[DF10]] next to the TM10; you can see them both in [https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/still-image/2024/01/102803897-03-02-acc.jpg this image]. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at [[ITS machine configurations#MC KL10]], you can see it's listed there.
	: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)		: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)

			== KL-UDGE ==

			According to photos that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O.

Jnc: Yes, it had been seen and listed already; should I update the diagram?

2024-05-30T12:21:00Z

Yes, it had been seen and listed already; should I update the diagram?

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			==Missing DF10==

	I sent Stephen Jones the photos. He says there's also a DF10C by the DL10. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (CEST)		I sent Stephen Jones the photos. He says there's also a DF10C by the DL10. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (CEST)

			: Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a [[DF10]] next to the TM10; you can see them both in [https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/still-image/2024/01/102803897-03-02-acc.jpg this image]. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at [[ITS machine configurations#MC KL10]], you can see it's listed there.
			: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)

Larsbrinkhoff: SMJ says DF10C.

2024-05-30T05:54:20Z

SMJ says DF10C.

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I sent Stephen Jones the photos. He says there's also a DF10C by the DL10. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (CEST)