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Jnc: I see we back-tracked on cats for DEC terminals

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I see we back-tracked on cats for DEC terminals

Jnc: /* Templates adding pages to categories */ new section

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Jnc: /* Background category? */ old URL didn't work any more

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Jnc: /* PC categories */ typos

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Jnc: /* Unix OS cat? */ Add sig, reply

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ForOldHack: /* Unix OS cat? */ Other OS for PDP-11s. How to handle many to many?

2019-04-08T04:06:57Z

‎Unix OS cat?: Other OS for PDP-11s. How to handle many to many?

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 == Duplicate VAX categories ==
-So [[:Template: InfoboxVAX-Data]] is assigning all the articles which use it to both [[:Category: VAXen]] (no header) ''and'' [[:Category: DEC VAX Systems]] ("Members of the Digital Equipment Corporation VAX family of computers"), which seems kind of redundant to me. Should we just delete one? Or keep one for individual models, and then have a VAX super-cat, that would be for things like [[VUP]]? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 13:51, 27 December 2018 (CET)
+So [[:Template: InfoboxVAX-Data]] is assigning all the articles which use it to both [[:Category: VAX]] (no header) ''and'' [[:Category: DEC VAX Systems]] ("Members of the Digital Equipment Corporation VAX family of computers"), which seems kind of redundant to me. Should we just delete one? Or keep one for individual models, and then have a VAX super-cat, that would be for things like [[VUP]]? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 13:51, 27 December 2018 (CET)
 :Redundant. I can't see why both would be needed. I think I see what you mean your second suggestion - one for the actual VAX hardware, and another for other VAX-related things. Could make sense I guess, but how many are there, besides VUP? [[User:Tor|Tor]] ([[User talk:Tor|talk]]) 10:04, 28 December 2018 (CET)
 : There are a couple more ([[CM 1700]], [[TPA-11/580]], etc) and there may be more in the future. I'll start by changing the template. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 02:17, 29 December 2018 (CET)
-: And having done that, there are some other things in [[:Category: VAXen]], too. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 03:04, 29 December 2018 (CET)
+: And having done that, there are some other things in [[:Category: VAX]], too. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 03:04, 29 December 2018 (CET)
-:: OK, done. There's another VAX header ([[:Template: Infobox VAX]]) which also auto-assigned to a cat, but it used [[:Category: VAXen]]; so, I changed that to use the individual model cat. I left the series articles ([[VAX 4000 series‎]], etc) in the top-level cat, but moved the few on individual models to the other one, which is now a sub-cat of the top-level cat. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 14:26, 29 December 2018 (CET)
+:: OK, done. There's another VAX header ([[:Template: Infobox VAX]]) which also auto-assigned to a cat, but it used [[:Category: VAX]]; so, I changed that to use the individual model cat. I left the series articles ([[VAX 4000 series‎]], etc) in the top-level cat, but moved the few on individual models to the other one, which is now a sub-cat of the top-level cat. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 14:26, 29 December 2018 (CET)
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 == Duplicate VAX categories ==
-So [[:Template: InfoboxVAX-Data]] is assigning all the articles which use it to both [[:Category: VAXen]] (no header) ''and'' [[:Category: DEC VAX systems]] ("Members of the Digital Equipment Corporation VAX family of computers"), which seems kind of redundant to me. Should we just delete one? Or keep one for individual models, and then have a VAX super-cat, that would be for things like [[VUP]]? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 13:51, 27 December 2018 (CET)
+So [[:Template: InfoboxVAX-Data]] is assigning all the articles which use it to both [[:Category: VAXen]] (no header) ''and'' [[:Category: DEC VAX Systems]] ("Members of the Digital Equipment Corporation VAX family of computers"), which seems kind of redundant to me. Should we just delete one? Or keep one for individual models, and then have a VAX super-cat, that would be for things like [[VUP]]? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 13:51, 27 December 2018 (CET)
 :Redundant. I can't see why both would be needed. I think I see what you mean your second suggestion - one for the actual VAX hardware, and another for other VAX-related things. Could make sense I guess, but how many are there, besides VUP? [[User:Tor|Tor]] ([[User talk:Tor|talk]]) 10:04, 28 December 2018 (CET)
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 == Templates adding pages to categories ==
-I see that [[MicroVAX I]] uses [[Template:InfoboxVAX-Data]], which automagically adds any page that uses it to [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]], so that page does have a correct category already. (I think that is probably the best category for it. If you do a separate page for the processor board, that can/should go in [[:Category:DEC VAX Processors]] - and probably in [[:Category:QBUS Processors]] too. Actually, by analogy with [[:Category:PDP-11 QBUS Processors]], probably in [[:Category:VAX QBUS Processors]]; I see we have several already, I will set that sub-category up, and move them into it.)
+I see that [[MicroVAX I]] uses [[Template:InfoboxVAX-Data]], which automagically adds any page that uses it to [[:Category:DEC VAX Systems]], so that page does have a correct category already. (I think that is probably the best category for it. If you do a separate page for the processor board, that can/should go in [[:Category:DEC VAX Processors]] - and probably in [[:Category:QBUS Processors]] too. Actually, by analogy with [[:Category:PDP-11 QBUS Processors]], probably in [[:Category:VAX QBUS Processors]]; I see we have several already, I will set that sub-category up, and move them into it.)
 I am not wild about templates adding pages to categories; I feel that it is better to do it explicitly, where anyone working on the page can easily see exactly which categories it is in. I have left this template alone, though, as I am not up for changing '''all''' the pages that use that template to have an explicit category. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 23:56, 14 June 2022 (CEST)
 : So, there's a good example of why having templates automagically add pages to categories is a bad idea! I went to set up [[:Category:VAX QBUS Processors]] and move pages into it, and discovered that [[Template:InfoboxVAXCPU-Data]] was adding them to [[:Category:DEC VAX Processors]]! @%$^$!! So I removed that 'feature', and now we can assign pages to categories as we see fit. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 00:09, 15 June 2022 (CEST)

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 So I recently split up [[:Category:Terminals]] into [[:Category:Printing Terminals]] and [[:Category:Video Terminals]]. There's also a [[:Category:DEC Terminals]]. So, currently all the DEC terminals ([[VT52]], etc) are tagged with two categories: 'DEC Terminals' and 'Printing/Video Terminals'. Is this the way people want to go, or should we create 'Printing' and 'Video' sub-categories of 'DEC Terminals'? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 03:55, 8 June 2018 (CEST)
 == Unix OS cat? ==
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 :Sounds ok to me. Would that be a sub-category in Operating Systems then, easily found at the top of the page? As for the name - I think 'Unix-based Operating Systems' is fine. [[User:Tor|Tor]] ([[User talk:Tor|talk]]) 15:28, 17 June 2018 (CEST)
-: oK, good, I'll make it happen. Yes, it will be a sub-cat of [[:Category: Operating Systems]]. I think I'll use [[:Category: Unix-based OS's]], though, to keep it from being ''too'' clunky. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 17:55, 17 June 2018 (CEST)
+: OK, good, I'll make it happen. Yes, it will be a sub-cat of [[:Category: Operating Systems]]. I think I'll use [[:Category: Unix-based OS's]], though, to keep it from being ''too'' clunky. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 17:55, 17 June 2018 (CEST)
 : Ah, in retrospect I should have used the full 'Unix-based Operating Systems'; now most of the sub-cats in [[:Category: Operating Systems]] use the full 'Operating Systems' in the name, so the Unix ones are now somewhat 'odd cats out'! Sigh! [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 02:26, 18 June 2018 (CEST)
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 === Background category? ===
-In line with the concept that all articles should be in a category, to make sure Web indexers can find them, I started to think about articles on background/fundamental topics (e.g. [[virtual memory]]). They don't really fit into any existing top-level category. At first I thought about creating a new top-level category for them, but I realized I don't need to, at least to make sure there are no [http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:LonelyPages 'orphan' articles]; in general, those pages were all created in response to red links in existing articles (which do all tend to be in categories), so if ''those'' are all in categories, Web indexers will be able to find the background articles too. Still, so people think it would be useful to have a catgory for them? If so, what shoud it be called? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 00:49, 11 June 2018 (CEST)
+In line with the concept that all articles should be in a category, to make sure Web indexers can find them, I started to think about articles on background/fundamental topics (e.g. [[virtual memory]]). They don't really fit into any existing top-level category. At first I thought about creating a new top-level category for them, but I realized I don't need to, at least to make sure there are no [[Special:LonelyPages|'orphan' articles]]; in general, those pages were all created in response to red links in existing articles (which do all tend to be in categories), so if ''those'' are all in categories, Web indexers will be able to find the background articles too. Still, so people think it would be useful to have a catgory for them? If so, what shoud it be called? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 00:49, 11 June 2018 (CEST)
 : I don't think trying to fit everything into a category is necessary when it doesn't particularly improve anything. [[User:Tor|Tor]] ([[User talk:Tor|talk]])
-: There is another good reason for have a category for all the 'basics' article I've been creating, which is that they currently clog up [http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages Uncategorized Pages], which I would like to use to find pages that really ''are'' missing an appropriate category. So I think we should start one; any suggestions for a better name than 'Basics'? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:20, 12 December 2018 (CET)
+: There is another good reason for have a category for all the 'basics' article I've been creating, which is that they currently clog up [[Special:UncategorizedPages|Uncategorized Pages]], which I would like to use to find pages that really ''are'' missing an appropriate category. So I think we should start one; any suggestions for a better name than 'Basics'? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:20, 12 December 2018 (CET)
 ::'Basics' is fine with me. [[User:Tor|Tor]] ([[User talk:Tor|talk]]) 14:56, 12 December 2018 (CET)
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 for 'advanced' topics in those areas. A lot of other categories got added as I looked at other previously un-categorized pages; e.g. categories for Apple software and hardware, and an Apple category to hold them all, etc. [http://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=Category%3A&namespace=0&hideredirects=1 This page] shows the current list of categories, and [http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:NewPages?namespace=14&size-mode=min here] is a list of the added categories.
-Finally, many un-categorized articles don't yet show up in the [http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages automatic list] since both {stub} and {semi-stub} add pages to a category. Which, in retrospect, is dumb, because the 'what links here' of them will  [http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Semi-stub show them too], and won't 'contaminate' the Uncategorized Pages list. So in a day or two, once I have recovered, I'll probably change those templates to not add them to categories, and then deal with the resultant 'newly'-uncategorized pages.
+Finally, many un-categorized articles don't yet show up in the [[Special:UncategorizedPages|automatic list]] since both {stub} and {semi-stub} add pages to a category. Which, in retrospect, is dumb, because the 'what links here' of them will [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Semi-stub|show them too]], and won't 'contaminate' the Uncategorized Pages list. So in a day or two, once I have recovered, I'll probably change those templates to not add them to categories, and then deal with the resultant 'newly'-uncategorized pages.
 Whew! [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 14:35, 17 December 2018 (CET)
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 : OK, the semi-stubs and stubs are all 'done' now too. (What a slog!) A few more categories got added; see [http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:NewPages?namespace=14&size-mode=min here] for them. Like I said (above), I'm sure there are some mistakes, but in a job that size... OK, now to fix them! [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:20, 20 December 2018 (CET)
-: Just added a few final touches; a cat ([[:Category: History]]) for a couple of the remaining un-cat'd articles, plus that gives a home for a top-level cat that didn't have a home; then added that to the list on the home page - and ditched OS's, which can be reached via [[:Category: Software]]. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 04:23, 23 December 2018 (CET)
+: Just added a few final touches; a cat ([[:Category:History]]) for a couple of the remaining un-cat'd articles, plus that gives a home for a top-level cat that didn't have a home; then added that to the list on the home page - and ditched OS's, which can be reached via [[:Category:Software]]. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 04:23, 23 December 2018 (CET)
 == Duplicate VAX categories ==

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	: OK, I'll go ahead and do that, then. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 03:41, 1 January 2019 (CET)		: OK, I'll go ahead and do that, then. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 03:41, 1 January 2019 (CET)
	: Done. Again, as with the hardware, there's probably still a little clean-up to do, in terms of getting things into the right cats. I ''think'' all the super-cats are good, though. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:48, 1 January 2019 (CET)		: Done. Again, as with the hardware, there's probably still a little clean-up to do, in terms of getting things into the right cats. I ''think'' all the super-cats are good, though. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 14:48, 1 January 2019 (CET)
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		+	== Templates adding pages to categories ==
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		+	I see that [[MicroVAX I]] uses [[Template:InfoboxVAX-Data]], which automagically adds any page that uses it to [[:Category:DEC VAX systems]], so that page does have a correct category already. (I think that is probably the best category for it. If you do a separate page for the processor board, that can/should go in [[:Category:DEC VAX Processors]] - and probably in [[:Category:QBUS Processors]] too. Actually, by analogy with [[:Category:PDP-11 QBUS Processors]], probably in [[:Category:VAX QBUS Processors]]; I see we have several already, I will set that sub-category up, and move them into it.)
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		+	I am not wild about templates adding pages to categories; I feel that it is better to do it explicitly, where anyone working on the page can easily see exactly which categories it is in. I have left this template alone, though, as I am not up for changing '''all''' the pages that use that template to have an explicit category. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 23:56, 14 June 2022 (CEST)
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		+	: So, there's a good example of why having templates automagically add pages to categories is a bad idea! I went to set up [[:Category:VAX QBUS Processors]] and move pages into it, and discovered that [[Template:InfoboxVAXCPU-Data]] was adding them to [[:Category:DEC VAX Processors]]! @%$^$!! So I removed that 'feature', and now we can assign pages to categories as we see fit. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 00:09, 15 June 2022 (CEST)

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 : I don't think trying to fit everything into a category is necessary when it doesn't particularly improve anything. [[User:Tor|Tor]] ([[User talk:Tor|talk]])
-: There is another good reason for have a category for all the 'basics' article I've been creating, which is that they currently clog up [http://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UncategorizedPages&limit=50&offset=50 Uncategorized Pages], which I would like to use to find pages that really ''are'' missing an appropriate category. So I think we should start one; any suggestions for a better name than 'Basics'? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:20, 12 December 2018 (CET)
+: There is another good reason for have a category for all the 'basics' article I've been creating, which is that they currently clog up [http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages Uncategorized Pages], which I would like to use to find pages that really ''are'' missing an appropriate category. So I think we should start one; any suggestions for a better name than 'Basics'? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:20, 12 December 2018 (CET)
 ::'Basics' is fine with me. [[User:Tor|Tor]] ([[User talk:Tor|talk]]) 14:56, 12 December 2018 (CET)

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 ==PC categories==
-I guess the PC-related categories could be cleaned up a bit. We've got categories for most major manufacturers, and also a category for general PC stuff: [[:Category:Compatible PCs]], but I'm thinking we need several: one for generic PC-related topics (e.g. [[BIOS]]), one for actual machines - and that needs to be split into two, one for IBM-compatibles, and one for the earler ''sui generis'' machinesl ike Tandy's. And then for the ''software'', we need (I reckon) a category for general topics like [[TSR]], as well as applications, etc.
+I guess the PC-related categories could be cleaned up a bit. We've got categories for most major manufacturers, and also a category for general PC stuff: [[:Category:Compatible PCs]], but I'm thinking we need several: one for generic PC-related topics (e.g. [[BIOS]]), one for actual machines - and that needs to be split into two, one for IBM-compatibles, and one for the earlier ''sui generis'' machines like Tandy's. And then for the ''software'', we need (I reckon) a category for general topics like [[TSR]], as well as applications, etc.
 I can sort of generally see where we need to go (above), but does anyone have any suggestions/comments? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:20, 20 December 2018 (CET)

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 Comments? (And names, if the idea is desirable)? I wonder into which do the later BSD's fit - IIRC, they eventually got rid of ''all'' the Bell code? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 17:13, 18 June 2018 (CEST)
-There is a many to many relationship between the OS and the hardware, and I keep coming across other sources of information for the other OSs besides UNIX that ran on Digital hardware.
+: There is a many to many relationship between the OS and the hardware, and I keep coming across other sources of information for the other OSs besides UNIX that ran on Digital hardware.
 :This was from Russia, and The knowledge in interesting, but I do not now how notable it is.
-::[ http://shannon.usu.edu.ru/History/oshistory/ A Non Unix Timeline of Operating Systems] , including a few more OSs that I have not heard of for the PDP-11
+:: [http://shannon.usu.edu.ru/History/oshistory/ A Non Unix Timeline of Operating Systems]
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 : I tend to go with 'peripherals' in this case. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]])
-OK; I'll get started on that. And also, I think we should have a category for all DEC stuff - just plain 'DEC', or 'Digital Equipment Corporation'?
+OK; I'll get started on that. And also, I think we should have a category for all DEC stuff - just plain 'DEC', or 'Digital Equipment Corporation'? [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 19:44, 19 February 2018 (CET)
 : DEC is consistent with the other labels. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]])