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Jnc: Jnc moved page Usenet archive to Netnews archive without leaving a redirect: Fix Usenet/Netnews confusion

2025-03-30T13:47:19Z

Jnc moved page Usenet archive to Netnews archive without leaving a redirect: Fix Usenet/Netnews confusion

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Jnc: Fix Usenet/Netnews confusion, add some links

2025-03-30T13:45:12Z

Fix Usenet/Netnews confusion, add some links

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	[[Image:davidwiseman-tapes.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|David Wiseman]]		[[Image:davidwiseman-tapes.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|David Wiseman]]
	There is an incredible archive available, of almost all the early [[~~Usenet~~]] posts, from February 1981 until June of 1991 (~~link~~ below).		There is an incredible archive available, of almost all the early [[Netnews]] posts, from February 1981 until June of 1991 (links below).

	== Magi's account ==		== Magi's account ==
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	: The story is more a story of fits and starts than of resolve. And our contribution accounts for some (most?) of the first 10 years of the Google archive.		: The story is more a story of fits and starts than of resolve. And our contribution accounts for some (most?) of the first 10 years of the Google archive.

	: If I recall correctly, the issue of Henry Spencer's (actually, the University of Toronto, Department of Zoology's) NetNews archive was raised at a Usenix conference in the early 90's. The question: can we get at them? Bruce Jones was especially interested in this. Henry's answer was that it really wasn't going to be easy because he had neither the disk space nor the tape drive to pull them all down to make them available.		: If I recall correctly, the issue of Henry Spencer's (actually, the University of Toronto, Department of Zoology's) NetNews archive was raised at a [[Usenix]] conference in the early 90's. The question: can we get at them? Bruce Jones was especially interested in this. Henry's answer was that it really wasn't going to be easy because he had neither the [[disk]] space nor the [[tape drive]] to pull them all down to make them available.

	: I, it turned out, did. So one bright winter day I drove from London (Ontario Canada) to Toronto (Ontario Canada) -- a two hour drive in my shiny new pickup truck and picked up 141 ~~magtapes~~ from the Zoology department at UofT and brought them back to the Department of Computer Science at the University of Western Ontario. (A not unimpressive bandwidth, by the way, of some 18Mb/sec :-) never underestimate the bandwidth of a pickup truck on the highway!)		: I, it turned out, did. So one bright winter day I drove from London (Ontario Canada) to Toronto (Ontario Canada) -- a two hour drive in my shiny new pickup truck and picked up 141 [[magtape]]s from the Zoology department at UofT and brought them back to the Department of Computer Science at the University of Western Ontario. (A not unimpressive bandwidth, by the way, of some 18Mb/sec :-) never underestimate the bandwidth of a pickup truck on the highway!)

	: Then with the help of several people (some of whom have not yet been credited) we started to pull the data off of the tapes and onto disks in both the Computer Science department and the Robarts Research Institute. Lance Bailey, then with the Robarts Research Institute, did the pulling there and I with assistance from Bob Webber did it at Computer Science. Bruce Jones from UCSD took some vacation time and came up here to help pull data down for a week or so as well.		: Then with the help of several people (some of whom have not yet been credited) we started to pull the data off of the tapes and onto disks in both the Computer Science department and the Robarts Research Institute. Lance Bailey, then with the Robarts Research Institute, did the pulling there and I with assistance from Bob Webber did it at Computer Science. Bruce Jones from UCSD took some vacation time and came up here to help pull data down for a week or so as well.
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	: But we quickly ran out of space and time: Lance left Robarts for UBC, Bruce's vacation ended, and Bob and I got busy doing other things (like our jobs). As a result, the archive project made very little progress over the next few years.		: But we quickly ran out of space and time: Lance left Robarts for UBC, Bruce's vacation ended, and Bob and I got busy doing other things (like our jobs). As a result, the archive project made very little progress over the next few years.

	: Then Brewster Kahle started pushing on us (thanks Brewster!) to get it done. He even bought us a large disk to hold the archive when we truly ran out of space. With the help of Sue Thielen, who was out of work and bored, we got all of the rest of the tapes read down onto that disk. Unfortunately, that disk was not "close enough" to either a tape drive or the ftp server to make the data available to anyone. And it wasn't organized in anyway usefully.		: Then Brewster Kahle started pushing on us (thanks Brewster!) to get it done. He even bought us a large disk to hold the archive when we truly ran out of space. With the help of Sue Thielen, who was out of work and bored, we got all of the rest of the tapes read down onto that disk. Unfortunately, that disk was not "close enough" to either a [[tape drive]] or the [[ftp]] [[server]] to make the data available to anyone. And it wasn't organized in anyway usefully.

	: Brewster pushed very gently for a very long time but the new archive project was far from the top of the list of projects I was supposed to be working on and I just never got it going again.		: Brewster pushed very gently for a very long time but the new archive project was far from the top of the list of projects I was supposed to be working on and I just never got it going again.
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	Included in this item is a file listing and the md5 sums of the removed files, for the use of others in verifying they have original materials.		Included in this item is a file listing and the md5 sums of the removed files, for the use of others in verifying they have original materials.
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	~~{{semi-stub}}~~

	==External links==		==External links==

	* [http://annex.retroarchive.org/utzoo/index.html Mirror of David Wiseman's ~~usenet~~ archive]		* [http://annex.retroarchive.org/utzoo/index.html Mirror of David Wiseman's Netnews archive]
	* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/utzoo/files/ utzoo Files] - another copy		* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/utzoo/files/ utzoo Files] - another copy

	[[Category: Networking]]		[[Category: Networking]]
	[[Category: History]]		[[Category: History]]

Jnc: Adopt standard CHWiki format; adjust Archive.org status

2024-07-06T13:57:16Z

Adopt standard CHWiki format; adjust Archive.org status

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	[[Image:davidwiseman-tapes.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|David Wiseman]]		[[Image:davidwiseman-tapes.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|David Wiseman]]
	There is an incredible archive ~~[http://annex.retroarchive.org/utzoo/index.html here]~~ of all the early [[Usenet]] posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.		There is an incredible archive available, of almost all the early [[Usenet]] posts, from February 1981 until June of 1991 (link below).

	== Magi's account ==		== Magi's account ==
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	== Controversy ==		== Controversy ==

	I just found out that the UTZOO archives ~~have~~ been ~~destroyed~~. Only 3rd party mirrors exist. What an incredible loss, of nearly 2 decades of written history. Absolutely tragic.		I just found out that the copy of the UTZOO archives available through Archive.org has been removed. Only 3rd party mirrors exist. What an incredible loss, of nearly 2 decades of written history. Absolutely tragic.

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			==External links==

			* [http://annex.retroarchive.org/utzoo/index.html Mirror of David Wiseman's usenet archive]
			* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/utzoo/files/ utzoo Files] - another copy

	[[Category: Networking]]		[[Category: Networking]]
	[[Category: History]]		[[Category: History]]

Neozeed: update the location to something more like the original. files are still on sourceforge though

2024-06-29T13:17:25Z

update the location to something more like the original. files are still on sourceforge though

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	There is an incredible archive [~~https~~://~~sourceforge~~.~~net/projects~~/utzoo/~~files/~~ here] of all the early [[Usenet]] posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.		There is an incredible archive [http://annex.retroarchive.org/utzoo/index.html here] of all the early [[Usenet]] posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.

	== Magi's account ==		== Magi's account ==

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	== Magi's account ==		== Magi's account ==
	Magi's NetNews Archive involvement
			Magi's NetNews Archive involvement:

	: Well, the thank-you's have been rather ebullient all day long today and I feel somewhat embarrassed by the attention. Especially given how long it took us to get the archive on line and visible! It has to be close to 10 years now. Sigh.		: Well, the thank-you's have been rather ebullient all day long today and I feel somewhat embarrassed by the attention. Especially given how long it took us to get the archive on line and visible! It has to be close to 10 years now. Sigh.
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	== Original FTP site header ==		== Original FTP site header ==

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	230-Yes, you have found the on-line copy of Henry Spencer's UTZOO NetNews		230-Yes, you have found the on-line copy of Henry Spencer's UTZOO NetNews
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	== Controversy ==		== Controversy ==

	I just found out that the UTZOO archives have been destroyed. Only 3rd party mirrors exist. What an incredible loss, of nearly 2 decades of written history. Absolutely tragic.		I just found out that the UTZOO archives have been destroyed. Only 3rd party mirrors exist. What an incredible loss, of nearly 2 decades of written history. Absolutely tragic.

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Jnc: fmt, typo

2020-08-21T13:46:58Z

fmt, typo

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	[[Image:davidwiseman-tapes.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|David Wiseman]]		[[Image:davidwiseman-tapes.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|David Wiseman]]
	There is an incredible archive [https://sourceforge.net/projects/utzoo/files/ here] of all the early ~~usenet~~ posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.		There is an incredible archive [https://sourceforge.net/projects/utzoo/files/ here] of all the early [[Usenet]] posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.

	= Magi's ~~recount~~ =		== Magi's account ==
	Magi's NetNews Archive ~~Involvement~~		Magi's NetNews Archive involvement
	Well, the thank-you's have been rather ebullient all day long today and I feel somewhat embarrassed by the attention. Especially given how long it took us to get the archive on line and visible! It has to be close to 10 years now. Sigh.
	~~The story is more a story of fits and starts than of resolve. And our contribution accounts for some (most?) of the first 10 years of the Google archive.~~

	~~If I recall correctly~~, the ~~issue of Henry Spencer~~'s ~~(actually,~~ the ~~University~~ of ~~Toronto, Department~~ of ~~Zoology's) NetNews archive was raised at a Usenix conference in the early 90's~~. ~~The question: can we get at them~~? ~~Bruce Jones was especially interested in this. Henry's answer was that it really wasn't going to be easy because he had neither~~ the ~~disk space nor~~ the ~~tape drive to pull them all down to make them available~~.		: Well, the thank-you's have been rather ebullient all day long today and I feel somewhat embarrassed by the attention. Especially given how long it took us to get the archive on line and visible! It has to be close to 10 years now. Sigh.
			: The story is more a story of fits and starts than of resolve. And our contribution accounts for some (most?) of the first 10 years of the Google archive.

	I, ~~it turned out~~, ~~did. So one bright winter day I drove from London (Ontario Canada) to~~ Toronto ~~(Ontario Canada~~) -- a ~~two hour drive~~ in ~~my shiny new pickup truck and picked up 141 magtapes from~~ the ~~Zoology department~~ at ~~UofT and brought~~ them ~~back~~ to the ~~Department of Computer Science at~~ the ~~University of Western Ontario~~. ~~(A not unimpressive bandwidth, by the way, of some 18Mb/sec :-) never underestimate the bandwidth of a pickup truck on the highway!)~~		: If I recall correctly, the issue of Henry Spencer's (actually, the University of Toronto, Department of Zoology's) NetNews archive was raised at a Usenix conference in the early 90's. The question: can we get at them? Bruce Jones was especially interested in this. Henry's answer was that it really wasn't going to be easy because he had neither the disk space nor the tape drive to pull them all down to make them available.

	~~Then with the help of several people~~ (~~some of whom have not yet been credited~~) ~~we started~~ to ~~pull~~ the ~~data off of the tapes~~ and ~~onto disks in both~~ the Computer Science ~~department and~~ the ~~Robarts Research Institute~~. ~~Lance Bailey~~, ~~then with~~ the ~~Robarts Research Institute~~, ~~did~~ the ~~pulling there and I with assistance from Bob Webber did it at Computer Science. Bruce Jones from UCSD took some vacation time and came up here to help pull data down for~~ a ~~week or so as well.~~		: I, it turned out, did. So one bright winter day I drove from London (Ontario Canada) to Toronto (Ontario Canada) -- a two hour drive in my shiny new pickup truck and picked up 141 magtapes from the Zoology department at UofT and brought them back to the Department of Computer Science at the University of Western Ontario. (A not unimpressive bandwidth, by the way, of some 18Mb/sec :-) never underestimate the bandwidth of a pickup truck on the highway!)

	~~But~~ we ~~quickly ran out~~ of ~~space~~ and ~~time:~~ Lance ~~left~~ Robarts ~~for UBC~~, Bruce's vacation ~~ended,~~ and ~~Bob and I got busy doing other things (like our jobs). As~~ a ~~result, the archive project made very little progress over the next few years~~.		: Then with the help of several people (some of whom have not yet been credited) we started to pull the data off of the tapes and onto disks in both the Computer Science department and the Robarts Research Institute. Lance Bailey, then with the Robarts Research Institute, did the pulling there and I with assistance from Bob Webber did it at Computer Science. Bruce Jones from UCSD took some vacation time and came up here to help pull data down for a week or so as well.

	~~Then Brewster Kahle started pushing on us (thanks Brewster!) to get it done. He even bought us a large disk to hold the archive when~~ we ~~truly~~ ran out of space~~. With the help of Sue Thielen~~, ~~who was out of work~~ and ~~bored, we~~ got ~~all of the rest of the tapes read down onto that disk~~. ~~Unfortunately~~, ~~that disk was not "close enough" to either a tape drive or~~ the ~~ftp server to make~~ the ~~data available to anyone. And it wasn't organized in anyway usefully~~.		: But we quickly ran out of space and time: Lance left Robarts for UBC, Bruce's vacation ended, and Bob and I got busy doing other things (like our jobs). As a result, the archive project made very little progress over the next few years.

	Brewster ~~pushed very gently for~~ a ~~very long time but~~ the ~~new~~ archive ~~project~~ was ~~far from~~ the ~~top~~ of the ~~list of projects I~~ was ~~supposed~~ to ~~be working on and I just never got~~ it ~~going again~~.		: Then Brewster Kahle started pushing on us (thanks Brewster!) to get it done. He even bought us a large disk to hold the archive when we truly ran out of space. With the help of Sue Thielen, who was out of work and bored, we got all of the rest of the tapes read down onto that disk. Unfortunately, that disk was not "close enough" to either a tape drive or the ftp server to make the data available to anyone. And it wasn't organized in anyway usefully.

	Late this summer Michael Schmitt from Google started pushing as well. And as luck would have it, I was able to hire a student to do the final sorting of the archive as well. And, that luck still holding, I managed to "steal" enough space on the ftp server for ~~the entire archive! But it still took months to get that figured out and the archive transferred to~~ a ~~machine from which they pull~~ the archive~~. It~~ was the ~~middle~~ of ~~October before we were able make~~ the ~~collection available~~ to ~~Google. And it is actually available, although totally unsorted, to anyone who wants it~~ and ~~can deal with pulling some 160 files ranging in size from 1.4Mb to 65Mb. Just drop me a line to say please and we'll arrange to make~~ it ~~visible to you~~.		: Brewster pushed very gently for a very long time but the new archive project was far from the top of the list of projects I was supposed to be working on and I just never got it going again.

	I'd still ~~like~~ to ~~impose~~ a ~~bit more order on~~ the ~~raw archives than~~ we ~~have but~~ the ~~time just hasn't allowed for that~~...		: Late this summer Michael Schmitt from Google started pushing as well. And as luck would have it, I was able to hire a student to do the final sorting of the archive as well. And, that luck still holding, I managed to "steal" enough space on the ftp server for the entire archive! But it still took months to get that figured out and the archive transferred to a machine from which they pull the archive. It was the middle of October before we were able make the collection available to Google. And it is actually available, although totally unsorted, to anyone who wants it and can deal with pulling some 160 files ranging in size from 1.4Mb to 65Mb. Just drop me a line to say please and we'll arrange to make it visible to you.

	= Original ~~ftp~~ site ~~headder~~ =		: I'd still like to impose a bit more order on the raw archives than we have but the time just hasn't allowed for that...

			== Original FTP site header ==
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	230-Yes, you have found the on-line copy of Henry Spencer's UTZOO NetNews		230-Yes, you have found the on-line copy of Henry Spencer's UTZOO NetNews
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Neozeed at 14:25, 2 August 2020

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 There is an incredible archive [https://sourceforge.net/projects/utzoo/files/ here] of all the early usenet posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.
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 -Yes, you have found the on-line copy of Henry Spencer's UTZOO NetNews

Neozeed: UTZOO has been destroyed.

2020-08-02T13:02:43Z

UTZOO has been destroyed.

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	There is an incredible archive [~~http~~://~~www~~.~~archive.org~~/~~details~~/utzoo~~-wiseman-usenet-archive~~ here] of all the early usenet posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.		There is an incredible archive [https://sourceforge.net/projects/utzoo/files/ here] of all the early usenet posts from February 1981 until June of 1991.

	== headder ==		== headder ==
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	I ~~haven't done anything with them yet~~, ~~but~~ this is ~~an incredible archive!~~		== Controversy ==
			I just found out that the UTZOO archives have been destroyed. Only 3rd party mirrors exist. What an incredible loss, of nearly 2 decades of written history. Absolutely tragic.

			From Archive.org:
			<pre>
			This is not a collection of the UTZOO Wiseman Usenet Archive.

			In 2020 after sustained legal demands requesting a set of messages within the Usenet Archive be redacted, and to avoid further costs and accusations of manipulation should those demands be met, the archive has been removed from this URL and is not currently accessible to the public.

			Included in this item is a file listing and the md5 sums of the removed files, for the use of others in verifying they have original materials.
			</pre>

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Jnc: +cat

2018-12-18T21:28:29Z

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Neozeed at 23:36, 12 June 2011

2011-06-12T23:36:36Z

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	I haven't done anything with them yet, but this is an incredible archive!		I haven't done anything with them yet, but this is an incredible archive!

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