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	* [https://elists.isoc.org/pipermail/internet-history/2025-January/010093.html Correct name for early TCP/IP working group?] - an email message from Jack Haverty, one of the early participants, giving an overview (NB: contains some errors, especially in the chronologically later sections)		* [https://elists.isoc.org/pipermail/internet-history/2025-January/010093.html Correct name for early TCP/IP working group?] - an email message from Jack Haverty, one of the early participants, giving an overview (NB: contains some errors, especially in the chronologically later sections)
			* [https://elists.isoc.org/pipermail/internet-history/2025-January/010113.html Internet-history Digest, Vol 62, Issue 12] - another email message, from John Shoch, another early participant (again, from memory, and beware of errors in human memory)

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	==External links==		==External links==

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	The '''TCP and Internet Meetings''' were a series of in-person meetings which were a key part of the development of the [[Transmission Control Protocol\|TCP]] and [[Internet Protocol\|IP]] [[protocol]]s. (At the start of that development, there was of course no separate IP protocol; its functionality was part of TCP in the early versions of TCP, TCP 1 and TCP 2.)		The '''TCP and Internet Meetings''' were a series of in-person meetings which were a key part of the development of the [[Transmission Control Protocol\|TCP]] and [[Internet Protocol\|IP]] [[protocol]]s in the 1977-1980 time period. (At the start of that development, there was of course no separate IP protocol; its functionality was part of TCP in the early versions of TCP, TCP 1 and TCP 2.) The concepts embodied in TCP/IP had been previously elucidated in the [[International Network Working Group]] (INWG) earlier in the 1970s, but other than a few individuals who were involved with both, there were no connections between the two. Although covered very poorly in current 'histories of the [[Internet]]', these meetings were an incredibly important (nay, vital) stage of its early development.

	~~They rotated between various~~ [[Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency\|DARPA]] contractors ~~who were~~ working on ~~what became the~~ [[~~TCP/IP~~]] project~~; they were all held in the USA initially~~, ~~with occasional meetings in Europe towards the end. They were notionally divided into~~ separate ~~'TCP Meetings' and 'Internet Meetings'~~, ~~but in reality each meeting would consider issues with both protocols. It is also~~ not ~~clear why 'Internet' was used as~~ a ~~name on early meetings, before IP existed as a separate Protocol; the name probably came from the project's goal, to produce a working~~ [[~~internetwork\|internet~~]].		There was not, as far as we can tell, a formal name for either the group which met (although it was sometimes called the 'Internet Working Group'), or for this series of meetings. The attendees were essentially all [[Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency\|DARPA]] contractors working on DARPA's [[internetwork]]ing project - although that itself was, "circa 1977, actually an informal collection of separate ARPA [formal] projects", not a formal [[TCP/IP]] project.

	They were the precursor to the meetings of the later [[Internet Engineering Task Force\|IETF]], which continue to this day.		(They included the "[[Packet Radio Network]] (PRNET), which was building wireless networks with mobility ..; [[SATNET]], which was building trans-Atlantic networking by satellite; [[WBNET]] (WideBand NETwork) was building a 'high bandwidth' (3 Mb/sec) satellite network spanning the continental US. .. The 'Gateway Project' was building a device to attach to a PRNET and pass TCP traffic across the boundaries as an initial experiment in the new Cerf/Kahn concept of TCP", to demonstrate how to tie together all the new networking technologies which were being experimented with by DARPA. [[MIT Laboratory for Computer Science\|MIT-LCS]], another attendee, had a DARPA contract to investigate an early [[local area network\|LAN]], a [[token ring]] network.)

			"Each of these groups had its own set of contractors working on that project, using what was available at the time to collaborate and communicate, e.g., meetings and [[email]] across the [[ARPANET]]."

			The location rotated between various DARPA contractors who were working on the project; they were almost all held in the USA initially, with occasional meetings in Europe towards the end. They were notionally divided into separate 'TCP Meetings' and 'Internet Meetings', but in reality, each meeting would consider issues with both protocols. It is also not clear why 'Internet' was used as a name on early meetings, before IP existed as a separate protocol; the name probably came from the project's goal, to produce a working [[internetwork\|internet]].

			These meetings were the precursor to the meetings of the later [[Internet Engineering Task Force\|IETF]], which continue to this day.

	==Meeting dates and location==		==Meeting dates and location==

	~~Minutes~~ for each ~~meeting~~ were produced, mostly by [[Jon Postel]], and released in the [[Internet Experiment Note\|IEN]] document series. Most meetings were part of the TCP and Internet meetings series, but there were a few additional ad hoc meetings on specialized topics. A fairly complete list of the meetings (in temporal order) is:		Although poorly covered in histories, we do have very good records of what transpired at these meetings; minutes for each were produced, mostly by [[Jon Postel]], and released in the [[Internet Experiment Note\|IEN]] document series. The minutes all included a list of all of the attendees at that meeting. Most meetings were part of the TCP and Internet meetings series, but there were a few additional ad hoc meetings on specialized topics. A fairly complete list of the meetings (in temporal order) is:

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	\| 28-30 January 1981 \|\| ISI \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-175		\| 28-30 January 1981 \|\| ISI \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-175
	\|}		\|}

			==See also==

			* [[CYCLADES]]

			==Further reading==

			Janet Abbate, ''Inventing the Internet'', MIT Press, Cambridge, 1999 - this stage is covered briefly on pp. 128-133

	==External links==		==External links==

	~~IEN's~~ (in ~~IEN number~~ order):		* [https://elists.isoc.org/pipermail/internet-history/2025-January/010093.html Correct name for early TCP/IP working group?] - an email message from Jack Haverty, one of the early participants, giving an overview

			Minutes (in meeting date order):

			* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien64.pdf Minutes of TCP Meeting, March 12, 1977, Washington, D.C.] (IEN-64)
			* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien65.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 14 & 15 July 1977] (IEN-65)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien3.txt INTERNET Meeting Notes 15 August 1977] (IEN 3)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien3.txt INTERNET Meeting Notes 15 August 1977] (IEN 3)
			* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien66.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 13 & 14 October 1977] (IEN-66)
			* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien67.pdf TCP Meeting Notes 30 & 31 January 1978] (IEN-67)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien22.pdf Meeting Notes - 1 February 1978] (IEN-22)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien22.pdf Meeting Notes - 1 February 1978] (IEN-22)
			* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien68.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 15 & 16 June 1978] (IEN-68)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien53.pdf Meeting Notes - 2,3&4 August 1978] (IEN-53)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien53.pdf Meeting Notes - 2,3&4 August 1978] (IEN-53)
			* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien69.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 18 & 19 September 1978] (IEN 69)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien60.pdf Boston Area Meeting of the Internet Working Group to Discuss Interactions With Gateways] (IEN-60)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien60.pdf Boston Area Meeting of the Internet Working Group to Discuss Interactions With Gateways] (IEN-60)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien63.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 30 & 31 October 1978] (IEN-63)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien63.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 30 & 31 October 1978] (IEN-63)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien64.pdf Minutes of TCP Meeting, March 12, 1977, Washington, D.C.] (IEN-64)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien65.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 14 & 15 July 1977] (IEN-65)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien66.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 13 & 14 October 1977] (IEN-66
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien67.pdf TCP Meeting Notes 30 & 31 January 1978] (IEN-67)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien68.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 15 & 16 June 1978] (IEN-68)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien69.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 18 & 19 September 1978] (IEN 69)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/scanned/ien70.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 4 December 1978] (IEN-70)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/scanned/ien70.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 4 December 1978] (IEN-70)
			* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien76.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 25&26 January 1979] (IEN-76)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien77.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 29 January 1979] (IEN-77)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien77.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 29 January 1979] (IEN-77)
	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien104.txt Minutes of the Fault Isolation Meeting] (IEN-104)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien104.txt Minutes of the Fault Isolation Meeting] (IEN-104)

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	The '''TCP and Internet Meetings''' were a series of in-person meetings which were a key part of the development of the [[Transmission Control Protocol\|TCP]] and [[Internet Protocol\|IP]] [[protocol]]s. (At the start of that development, there was of course no separate IP protocol; its functionality was part of TCP in the early versions of TCP, TCP 1 and TCP 2.)		The '''TCP and Internet Meetings''' were a series of in-person meetings which were a key part of the development of the [[Transmission Control Protocol\|TCP]] and [[Internet Protocol\|IP]] [[protocol]]s. (At the start of that development, there was of course no separate IP protocol; its functionality was part of TCP in the early versions of TCP, TCP 1 and TCP 2.)

	They rotated between various [[DARPA]] contractors who were working on what became the [[TCP/IP]] project; they were all held in the USA initially, with occasional meetings in Europe towards the end. They were notionally divided into separate 'TCP Meetings' and 'Internet Meetings', but in reality each meeting would consider issues with both protocols. It is also not clear why 'Internet' was used as a name on early meetings, before IP existed as a separate Protocol; the name probably came from the project's goal, to produce a working [[internetwork\|internet]].		They rotated between various [[Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency\|DARPA]] contractors who were working on what became the [[TCP/IP]] project; they were all held in the USA initially, with occasional meetings in Europe towards the end. They were notionally divided into separate 'TCP Meetings' and 'Internet Meetings', but in reality each meeting would consider issues with both protocols. It is also not clear why 'Internet' was used as a name on early meetings, before IP existed as a separate Protocol; the name probably came from the project's goal, to produce a working [[internetwork\|internet]].

	They were the precursor to the meetings of the later [[Internet Engineering Task Force\|IETF]], which continue to this day.		They were the precursor to the meetings of the later [[Internet Engineering Task Force\|IETF]], which continue to this day.
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	! Date !! Location!! Type !! Documented<br>in		! Date !! Location!! Type !! Documented<br>in
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	\| 12 March 1977 \|\| DARPA \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-64		\| 12 March 1977 \|\| [[Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency\|DARPA]] \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-64
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	\| 14-15 July 1977 \|\| [[MIT Laboratory for Computer Science\|MIT-LCS]] \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-65		\| 14-15 July 1977 \|\| [[MIT Laboratory for Computer Science\|MIT-LCS]] \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-65
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	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien175.txt Internet Meeting Notes -- 28-29-30 January 1981] (IEN-175)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien175.txt Internet Meeting Notes -- 28-29-30 January 1981] (IEN-175)

	[[Category: ~~TCP/IP Protocols~~]]		[[Category: Internet]]

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	* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien175.txt Internet Meeting Notes -- 28-29-30 January 1981] (IEN-175)		* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien175.txt Internet Meeting Notes -- 28-29-30 January 1981] (IEN-175)

	[[Category: ~~Internet~~]]		[[Category: TCP/IP Protocols]]

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	\| 1-2 May 1978 \|\| UCL \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-33 (not online)		\| 1-2 May 1978 \|\| UCL \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-33 (not online)
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	\| 15-16 June 1978 \|\| MIT \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-68		\| 15-16 June 1978 \|\| MIT-LCS \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-68
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	\| 2-4 August 1978 \|\| Lincoln Labs \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-53		\| 2-4 August 1978 \|\| Lincoln Labs \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-53
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	\| 18-19 September 1978 \|\| SRI \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-69		\| 18-19 September 1978 \|\| SRI \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-69
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	\| 17 October 1978 \|\| BBN \|\| Gateways \|\| IEN-60		\| 17 October 1978 \|\| [[Bolt, Beranek, and Newman\|BBN]] \|\| Gateways \|\| IEN-60
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	\| 30-31 October 1978 \|\| SRI \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-63		\| 30-31 October 1978 \|\| SRI \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-63

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	\| 30-31 January 1978 \|\| ISI \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-67		\| 30-31 January 1978 \|\| ISI \|\| TCP \|\| IEN-67
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	\| 1 February 1978 \|\| xx \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-22		\| 1 February 1978 \|\| ISI \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-22
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	\| 1-2 May 1978 \|\| UCL \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-33 (not online)		\| 1-2 May 1978 \|\| UCL \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-33 (not online)
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	\| 28-30 January 1981 \|\| ISI \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-175		\| 28-30 January 1981 \|\| ISI \|\| Internet \|\| IEN-175
	\|}		\|}

	==External links==		==External links==

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The '''TCP and Internet Meetings''' were a series of in-person meetings which were a key part of the development of the [[Transmission Control Protocol|TCP]] and [[Internet Protocol|IP]] [[protocol]]s. (At the start of that development, there was of course no separate IP protocol; its functionality was part of TCP in the early versions of TCP, TCP 1 and TCP 2.)

They rotated between various [[DARPA]] contractors who were working on what became the [[TCP/IP]] project; they were all held in the USA initially, with occasional meetings in Europe towards the end. They were notionally divided into separate 'TCP Meetings' and 'Internet Meetings', but in reality each meeting would consider issues with both protocols. It is also not clear why 'Internet' was used as a name on early meetings, before IP existed as a separate Protocol; the name probably came from the project's goal, to produce a working [[internetwork|internet]].

They were the precursor to the meetings of the later [[Internet Engineering Task Force|IETF]], which continue to this day.

==Meeting dates and location==

Minutes for each meeting were produced, mostly by [[Jon Postel]], and released in the [[Internet Experiment Note|IEN]] document series. Most meetings were part of the TCP and Internet meetings series, but there were a few additional ad hoc meetings on specialized topics. A fairly complete list of the meetings (in temporal order) is:

{| class="wikitable"
! Date !! Location!! Type !! Documented<br>in
|-
| 12 March 1977 || DARPA || TCP || IEN-64
|-
| 14-15 July 1977 || [[MIT Laboratory for Computer Science|MIT-LCS]] || TCP || IEN-65
|-
| 15 August 1977 || [[Information Sciences Institute|ISI]] || Internet || IEN-3
|-
| 13-14 October 1977 || [[SRI International|SRI]] || TCP || IEN-66
|-
| 30-31 January 1978 || ISI || TCP || IEN-67
|-
| 1 February 1978 || xx || Internet || IEN-22
|-
| 1-2 May 1978 || UCL || Internet || IEN-33 (not online)
|-
| 15-16 June 1978 || MIT || TCP || IEN-68
|-
| 2-4 August 1978 || Lincoln Labs || Internet || IEN-53
|-
| 18-19 September 1978 || SRI || TCP || IEN-69
|-
| 17 October 1978 || BBN || Gateways || IEN-60
|-
| 30-31 October 1978 || SRI || Internet || IEN-63
|-
| 4 December 1978 || ARPA || Internet || IEN-70
|-
| 25-26 January 1979 || ISI || Internet || IEN-76
|-
| 29 January 1979 || ISI || TCP || IEN-77
|-
| 12 March 1979 || BBN || Fault Isolation || IEN-104
|-
| 8-11 May 1979 || BBN || Internet || IEN-106
|-
| 10-13 September 1979 || UCL || Internet || IEN-121
|-
| 4-6 February || SRI || Internet || IEN-134
|-
| 14-15 May 1980 || MIT-LCS || Internet || IEN-145
|-
| 7-9 October 1980 || RSRE || Internet || IEN-160
|-
| 28-30 January 1981 || ISI || Internet || IEN-175
|}

==External links==

IEN's (in IEN number order):

* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien3.txt INTERNET Meeting Notes 15 August 1977] (IEN 3)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien22.pdf Meeting Notes - 1 February 1978] (IEN-22)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien53.pdf Meeting Notes - 2,3&4 August 1978] (IEN-53)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien60.pdf Boston Area Meeting of the Internet Working Group to Discuss Interactions With Gateways] (IEN-60)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien63.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 30 & 31 October 1978] (IEN-63)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien64.pdf Minutes of TCP Meeting, March 12, 1977, Washington, D.C.] (IEN-64)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien65.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 14 & 15 July 1977] (IEN-65)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien66.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 13 & 14 October 1977] (IEN-66
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien67.pdf TCP Meeting Notes 30 & 31 January 1978] (IEN-67)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien68.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 15 & 16 June 1978] (IEN-68)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien69.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 18 & 19 September 1978] (IEN 69)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/scanned/ien70.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 4 December 1978] (IEN-70)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien77.pdf TCP Meeting Notes - 29 January 1979] (IEN-77)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien104.txt Minutes of the Fault Isolation Meeting] (IEN-104)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien106.pdf Internet Meeting Notes - 8, 9, 10 & 11 May 1979] (IEN-106)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien121.txt Internet Meeting Notes - 10, 11, 12 & 13 September 1979] (IEN-121)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien134.txt Internet Meeting Notes - 4, 5, & 6 February 1980] (IEN-134)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien145.txt Internet Meeting Notes - 14 & 15 May 1980] (IEN-145)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien160.txt Internet Meeting Notes -- 7-8-9 October 1980] (IEN-160)
* [https://www.rfc-editor.org/ien/ien175.txt Internet Meeting Notes -- 28-29-30 January 1981] (IEN-175)

[[Category: Internet]]

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	* [[CYCLADES]]		* [[CYCLADES]]
			* [[TCP and IP bake offs]]

	==Further reading==		==Further reading==