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Jnc: /* Connector image needed */ Indents; straight/right-angle cables

2023-09-07T23:06:07Z

‎Connector image needed: Indents; straight/right-angle cables

Vaxorcist: /* Connector image needed */

2023-09-07T06:26:41Z

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Vaxorcist: /* Connector image needed */

2023-09-06T15:57:57Z

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Jnc: /* Connector image needed */ Thank you for confirming all that

2023-09-05T21:32:47Z

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Vaxorcist: /* Connector image needed */

2023-09-04T16:39:11Z

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Jnc: /* Connector image needed */ More about DSSI cables

2023-09-04T15:26:12Z

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Vaxorcist at 16:57, 2 September 2023

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2023-09-01T18:11:10Z

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Jnc: /* Connector image needed */ Thanks!

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 : I am back from my trip, so I will see about taking images of the [[SDI]] connectors and cables tomorrow, once I have recovered. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 23:32, 5 September 2023 (CEST)
-:: First: How to indent a whole block without repeating the ":"?
+First: How to indent a whole block without repeating the ":"?
 You are perfectly right, but it is still a little more complicated as there are both types of connectors in either "straight" or "right-angle" variations.
 Up to now I found five different DEC DSSI cables ("-xx" is the cable length in feet):
-'''BC21M-09''': two right-angle PS
+* '''BC21M-09''': two right-angle PS
 Used to connect e.g.:
-* [[VAX 4000]] systems to [[R400X]] expanders
+:* [[VAX 4000]] systems to [[R400X]] expanders
-* VAX 4000 systems to VAX 4000 systems
+:* VAX 4000 systems to VAX 4000 systems
-* R400X expanders to R400X expanders /
+:* R400X expanders to R400X expanders /
-* [[KFQSA]] to ...
+:* [[KFQSA]] to ...
-'''BC21Q-xx''': two straight MR
+* '''BC21Q-xx''': two straight MR
 Usage yet unknown
-'''BC22Q-xx''': one right-angle PS and one straight MR
+* '''BC22Q-xx''': one right-angle PS and one straight MR
 Used to connect e.g.:
-* [[MicroVAX III|VAX 3000]]/4000 systems to [[TF857]]/[[SF100]]
+:* [[MicroVAX III|VAX 3000]]/4000 systems to [[TF857]]/[[SF100]]
-'''BC29R-xx''': one right-angle PS and one right-angle MR
+* '''BC29R-xx''': one right-angle PS and one right-angle MR
 Used to connect e.g.:
-* [[HSD05]]/[[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter|HSD10]]/[[HSD30]] array controller to DEC 4000 systems
+:* [[HSD05]]/[[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter|HSD10]]/[[HSD30]] array controller to DEC 4000 systems
-* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to VAX 3000/4000 systems or DEC 4000 Alpha systems
+:* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to VAX 3000/4000 systems or DEC 4000 Alpha systems
-'''BC29S-xx''': one right-angle MR and one straight MR
+* '''BC29S-xx''': one right-angle MR and one straight MR
 Used to connect e.g.:
-* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to [[KFMSB]] adapter
+:* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to [[KFMSB]] adapter
-* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to [[VAX 6000]]/[[VAX 7000|7000]]/[[VAX 10000|1000]] systems or [[DEC 7000]]/[[DEC 10000|10000]] Alpha
+:* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to [[VAX 6000]]/[[VAX 7000|7000]]/[[VAX 10000|1000]] systems or [[DEC 7000]]/[[DEC 10000|10000]] Alpha
 I myself don't have the right cables (concerning the "straight" or "right-angled" version) either; I would need two BC29R-xx cables. It works, but looks ugly and is a little  delicate mechanically.[[User:Vaxorcist|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist|talk]]) 17:57, 6 September 2023 (CEST)
-: Four new DSSI pictures:
+:: OK, I will add then to the page. Thank you! [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 01:06, 8 September 2023 (CEST)
 * [[:File:BC22Q-09 Label.jpg]]
 * [[:File:DSSI PS Connector female (Cable)-2.jpg]]
 * [[:File:BC22Q-09 DSSI Cable.jpg]]
 * [[:File:DSSI MR Connector female (Cable).jpg]]
 [[User:Vaxorcist|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist|talk]]) 08:26, 7 September 2023 (CEST)

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	I myself don't have the right cables (concerning the "straight" or "right-angled" version) either; I would need two BC29R-xx cables. It works, but looks ugly and is a little delicate mechanically.[[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 17:57, 6 September 2023 (CEST)		I myself don't have the right cables (concerning the "straight" or "right-angled" version) either; I would need two BC29R-xx cables. It works, but looks ugly and is a little delicate mechanically.[[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 17:57, 6 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	: Four new DSSI pictures:
		+	* [[:File:BC22Q-09 Label.jpg]]
		+	* [[:File:DSSI PS Connector female (Cable)-2.jpg]]
		+	* [[:File:BC22Q-09 DSSI Cable.jpg]]
		+	* [[:File:DSSI MR Connector female (Cable).jpg]]
		+	[[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 08:26, 7 September 2023 (CEST)

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	: Yes, an image of the MR connector on the cable would be really good to have. Also, the part numbers for the three kinds of cables.		: Yes, an image of the MR connector on the cable would be really good to have. Also, the part numbers for the three kinds of cables.
	: I am back from my trip, so I will see about taking images of the [[SDI]] connectors and cables tomorrow, once I have recovered. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 23:32, 5 September 2023 (CEST)		: I am back from my trip, so I will see about taking images of the [[SDI]] connectors and cables tomorrow, once I have recovered. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 23:32, 5 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	:: First: How to indent a whole block without repeating the ":"?
		+
		+	You are perfectly right, but it is still a little more complicated as there are both types of connectors in either "straight" or "right-angle" variations.
		+
		+	Up to now I found five different DEC DSSI cables ("-xx" is the cable length in feet):
		+
		+	'''BC21M-09''': two right-angle PS
		+
		+	Used to connect e.g.:
		+
		+	* [[VAX 4000]] systems to [[R400X]] expanders
		+	* VAX 4000 systems to VAX 4000 systems
		+	* R400X expanders to R400X expanders /
		+	* [[KFQSA]] to ...
		+
		+	'''BC21Q-xx''': two straight MR
		+
		+	Usage yet unknown
		+
		+	'''BC22Q-xx''': one right-angle PS and one straight MR
		+
		+	Used to connect e.g.:
		+
		+	* [[MicroVAX III\|VAX 3000]]/4000 systems to [[TF857]]/[[SF100]]
		+
		+	'''BC29R-xx''': one right-angle PS and one right-angle MR
		+
		+	Used to connect e.g.:
		+
		+	* [[HSD05]]/[[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter\|HSD10]]/[[HSD30]] array controller to DEC 4000 systems
		+	* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to VAX 3000/4000 systems or DEC 4000 Alpha systems
		+
		+	'''BC29S-xx''': one right-angle MR and one straight MR
		+
		+	Used to connect e.g.:
		+
		+	* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to [[KFMSB]] adapter
		+	* HSD05/HSD10/HSD30 array controller to [[VAX 6000]]/[[VAX 7000\|7000]]/[[VAX 10000\|1000]] systems or [[DEC 7000]]/[[DEC 10000\|10000]] Alpha
		+
		+	I myself don't have the right cables (concerning the "straight" or "right-angled" version) either; I would need two BC29R-xx cables. It works, but looks ugly and is a little delicate mechanically.[[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 17:57, 6 September 2023 (CEST)

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	::::: [[:File:DSSI_PS_Connector_female_(Cable).jpg]] is the male PS connector end of a round cable with a '''Micro-Ribbon''' (MR) connector at the other end. Yes, there are three kinds of exterior DSSI cables as you guessed. I can upload a picture of the MR connector at the other end. I run a DSSI-based dual [[MicroVAX 3300]] [[VAXcluster]] for fun. It uses a [[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter]] to connect both VAXen to a couple of common SCSI disks. The HSD10 has got MR connectors, the MicroVAXen use '''Pin-Socket''' (PS) ones, so I have got two round DSSI cables that are PS-to-MR. I probably can supply the DEC order numbers for the three cable types. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:38, 4 September 2023 (CEST)		::::: [[:File:DSSI_PS_Connector_female_(Cable).jpg]] is the male PS connector end of a round cable with a '''Micro-Ribbon''' (MR) connector at the other end. Yes, there are three kinds of exterior DSSI cables as you guessed. I can upload a picture of the MR connector at the other end. I run a DSSI-based dual [[MicroVAX 3300]] [[VAXcluster]] for fun. It uses a [[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter]] to connect both VAXen to a couple of common SCSI disks. The HSD10 has got MR connectors, the MicroVAXen use '''Pin-Socket''' (PS) ones, so I have got two round DSSI cables that are PS-to-MR. I probably can supply the DEC order numbers for the three cable types. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:38, 4 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	: Ah, light is (finally) starting to dawn. So the 'round-pin' connectors are called '''Pin-Socket''' (PS) connectors, and the 'flat-pin' connectors are called '''Micro Ribbon''' (MR) connectors? I will add all that to the article.
		+	: Yes, an image of the MR connector on the cable would be really good to have. Also, the part numbers for the three kinds of cables.
		+	: I am back from my trip, so I will see about taking images of the [[SDI]] connectors and cables tomorrow, once I have recovered. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 23:32, 5 September 2023 (CEST)

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	:::: I will have a go at that. Looking at all the images you uploaded, it seems from [[:File:DSSI Connectors.png]] that there are two styles of connectors: the one on the right in that diagram looks like an IDC connector, with round pins; the one of the left, there, has flat pins. The second type is what [[:File:HSD10 front.jpg]] has, yes?		:::: I will have a go at that. Looking at all the images you uploaded, it seems from [[:File:DSSI Connectors.png]] that there are two styles of connectors: the one on the right in that diagram looks like an IDC connector, with round pins; the one of the left, there, has flat pins. The second type is what [[:File:HSD10 front.jpg]] has, yes?
	:::: Do you have any of the long cables? [http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/dsa/dssi/EK-RF72D-UG-008_RF_Series_Integrated_Storage_Element_Users_Guide_Apr93.pdf EK-RF72D-UG-008] says "The DSSI bus is a 50-conductor cable. Inside an enclosure, the bus may be a flat ribbon cable or a round bundle of twisted pairs. Between enclosures, the bus is a shielded round cable approximately ½-inch in diameter." It is the latter I would like to get an image of - particularly the connectors. I would assume there are ''three'' different kinds of DSSI round cables - at least, in theory: round-pin (above) to round-pin, flat-pin (above) to flat-pin, and round-pin to flat-pin (for when one has to convert). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 17:25, 4 September 2023 (CEST)		:::: Do you have any of the long cables? [http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/dsa/dssi/EK-RF72D-UG-008_RF_Series_Integrated_Storage_Element_Users_Guide_Apr93.pdf EK-RF72D-UG-008] says "The DSSI bus is a 50-conductor cable. Inside an enclosure, the bus may be a flat ribbon cable or a round bundle of twisted pairs. Between enclosures, the bus is a shielded round cable approximately ½-inch in diameter." It is the latter I would like to get an image of - particularly the connectors. I would assume there are ''three'' different kinds of DSSI round cables - at least, in theory: round-pin (above) to round-pin, flat-pin (above) to flat-pin, and round-pin to flat-pin (for when one has to convert). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 17:25, 4 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	::::: [[:File:DSSI_PS_Connector_female_(Cable).jpg]] is the male PS connector end of a round cable with a '''Micro-Ribbon''' (MR) connector at the other end. Yes, there are three kinds of exterior DSSI cables as you guessed. I can upload a picture of the MR connector at the other end. I run a DSSI-based dual [[MicroVAX 3300]] [[VAXcluster]] for fun. It uses a [[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter]] to connect both VAXen to a couple of common SCSI disks. The HSD10 has got MR connectors, the MicroVAXen use '''Pin-Socket''' (PS) ones, so I have got two round DSSI cables that are PS-to-MR. I probably can supply the DEC order numbers for the three cable types. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:38, 4 September 2023 (CEST)

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	::: I'll take a photo of a DSSI cable & connector tomorrow. You can see a drive DSSI conector in [[:File:RF30_PCB_54-18247.jpg]] on the right side; looks like SCSI or the like. I'll take a frontal photo of that one as well. There might have been other drive DSSI conectors with newer disk drives - I'll have a look for that. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 20:10, 1 September 2023 (CEST)		::: I'll take a photo of a DSSI cable & connector tomorrow. You can see a drive DSSI conector in [[:File:RF30_PCB_54-18247.jpg]] on the right side; looks like SCSI or the like. I'll take a frontal photo of that one as well. There might have been other drive DSSI conectors with newer disk drives - I'll have a look for that. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 20:10, 1 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	:::: Sorry I am slow to reply; there is too much going on here!
		+	:::: When you write of the "connector .. on the right side", do you mean the blue plastic [[IDC connector]]? (Well, it looks like an IDC connector, from what I can see of it.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 17:25, 4 September 2023 (CEST)

	::: I've added a draft for the section "DSSI Connectors". Could you please position the pictures? I'm not at all good at that ... And again feel free to optimize! [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:57, 2 September 2023 (CEST)		::: I've added a draft for the section "DSSI Connectors". Could you please position the pictures? I'm not at all good at that ... And again feel free to optimize! [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:57, 2 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	:::: I will have a go at that. Looking at all the images you uploaded, it seems from [[:File:DSSI Connectors.png]] that there are two styles of connectors: the one on the right in that diagram looks like an IDC connector, with round pins; the one of the left, there, has flat pins. The second type is what [[:File:HSD10 front.jpg]] has, yes?
		+	:::: Do you have any of the long cables? [http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/dsa/dssi/EK-RF72D-UG-008_RF_Series_Integrated_Storage_Element_Users_Guide_Apr93.pdf EK-RF72D-UG-008] says "The DSSI bus is a 50-conductor cable. Inside an enclosure, the bus may be a flat ribbon cable or a round bundle of twisted pairs. Between enclosures, the bus is a shielded round cable approximately ½-inch in diameter." It is the latter I would like to get an image of - particularly the connectors. I would assume there are ''three'' different kinds of DSSI round cables - at least, in theory: round-pin (above) to round-pin, flat-pin (above) to flat-pin, and round-pin to flat-pin (for when one has to convert). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 17:25, 4 September 2023 (CEST)

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	::: I'll take a photo of a DSSI cable & connector tomorrow. You can see a drive DSSI conector in [[:File:RF30_PCB_54-18247.jpg]] on the right side; looks like SCSI or the like. I'll take a frontal photo of that one as well. There might have been other drive DSSI conectors with newer disk drives - I'll have a look for that. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 20:10, 1 September 2023 (CEST)		::: I'll take a photo of a DSSI cable & connector tomorrow. You can see a drive DSSI conector in [[:File:RF30_PCB_54-18247.jpg]] on the right side; looks like SCSI or the like. I'll take a frontal photo of that one as well. There might have been other drive DSSI conectors with newer disk drives - I'll have a look for that. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 20:10, 1 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	::: I've added a draft for the section "DSSI Connectors". Could you please position the pictures? I'm not at all good at that ... And again feel free to optimize! [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:57, 2 September 2023 (CEST)

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	:: Oh, good; I did not know that was there. I can crop that down to the connector(s), and use that for one; I guess it would be good to have an image of the connector on a cable, too. Thank you!		:: Oh, good; I did not know that was there. I can crop that down to the connector(s), and use that for one; I guess it would be good to have an image of the connector on a cable, too. Thank you!
	:: What is the "the (different) connector of a DSSI drive"? [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 20:03, 1 September 2023 (CEST)		:: What is the "the (different) connector of a DSSI drive"? [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 20:03, 1 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	::: I'll take a photo of a DSSI cable & connector tomorrow. You can see a drive DSSI conector in [[:File:RF30_PCB_54-18247.jpg]] on the right side; looks like SCSI or the like. I'll take a frontal photo of that one as well. There might have been other drive DSSI conectors with newer disk drives - I'll have a look for that. [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 20:10, 1 September 2023 (CEST)

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	Anyone have anything with DSSI connectors (on either a cable, or a drive, etc) they can take some pictures of? I have some [[SDI]] cables, etc, so I will do the SDI ones. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:53, 1 September 2023 (CEST)		Anyone have anything with DSSI connectors (on either a cable, or a drive, etc) they can take some pictures of? I have some [[SDI]] cables, etc, so I will do the SDI ones. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:53, 1 September 2023 (CEST)

−	: My picture [[File:HSD10 front.jpg]] shows the [[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter]] with the typical (a little fragile) DSSI connectors. I could provide pictures of a DSSI cable, a DSSI terminator, and the (different) connector of a DSSI drive as well - what do you want? [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2023 (CEST)	+	: My picture [[:File:HSD10 front.jpg]] shows the [[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter]] with the typical (a little fragile) DSSI connectors. I could provide pictures of a DSSI cable, a DSSI terminator, and the (different) connector of a DSSI drive as well - what do you want? [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	:: Oh, good; I did not know that was there. I can crop that down to the connector(s), and use that for one; I guess it would be good to have an image of the connector on a cable, too. Thank you!
		+	:: What is the "the (different) connector of a DSSI drive"? [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 20:03, 1 September 2023 (CEST)

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	Anyone have anything with DSSI connectors (on either a cable, or a drive, etc) they can take some pictures of? I have some [[SDI]] cables, etc, so I will do the SDI ones. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:53, 1 September 2023 (CEST)		Anyone have anything with DSSI connectors (on either a cable, or a drive, etc) they can take some pictures of? I have some [[SDI]] cables, etc, so I will do the SDI ones. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:53, 1 September 2023 (CEST)
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		+	: My picture [[File:HSD10 front.jpg]] shows the [[HSD10 DSSI-to-SCSI Bus Adapter]] with the typical (a little fragile) DSSI connectors. I could provide pictures of a DSSI cable, a DSSI terminator, and the (different) connector of a DSSI drive as well - what do you want? [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2023 (CEST)