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Jnc: Move host table stuff there

2023-08-11T22:22:29Z

Move host table stuff there

Larsbrinkhoff: /* Host tables */ Some from SAIL.

2023-08-09T18:07:58Z

‎Host tables: Some from SAIL.

Jnc: /* Host tables */ I wouldn't worry about whether they are official or not

2023-08-09T17:40:38Z

‎Host tables: I wouldn't worry about whether they are official or not

Larsbrinkhoff: SAIL server no later than Feb 78.

2023-08-09T17:17:40Z

SAIL server no later than Feb 78.

Larsbrinkhoff: /* Why Stanford? */ Timestamp was off.

2023-08-09T16:55:10Z

‎Why Stanford?: Timestamp was off.

Larsbrinkhoff: /* Why Stanford? */ FINGER was done locally first. Apparently spying on other sites, later!

2023-08-09T16:48:09Z

‎Why Stanford?: FINGER was done locally first. Apparently spying on other sites, later!

Jnc: I wonder why someone at Stanford invented it?

2023-08-09T16:20:16Z

I wonder why someone at Stanford invented it?

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==Why Stanford?==

I wonder why someone at ''Stanford'' invented it? They only had the one machine (I looked at an early ARPANET host table, and there was only one machine on the Stanford IMP, SAIL) - so no real ''internal'' need. (MIT, I can see the need; with AI, DM and ML.)

Speaking of ARPANET host tables, I now there are a few online, but a Web search couldn't find them (for the above). Any you know of, could we link to? Probably from [[ARPANET]] for the moment; I don't see any need for an ARPANET-host-table-specific at the moment. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 18:20, 9 August 2023 (CEST)

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	: On the other hand, the 1977 RFC implies SAIL did have a server, and I found FNGSER.MID[NET,MRC] from February 1978. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 19:17, 9 August 2023 (CEST)		: On the other hand, the 1977 RFC implies SAIL did have a server, and I found FNGSER.MID[NET,MRC] from February 1978. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 19:17, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
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−	Speaking of ARPANET host tables, I now there are a few online, but a Web search couldn't find them (for the above). Any you know of, could we link to? Probably from [[ARPANET]] for the moment; I don't see any need for an ARPANET-host-table-specific at the moment. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:20, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
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−	~~: There are surprisingly few host tables from the NCP era! My go-to resource is here: https://github.com/ttkzw/hosts.txt~~
−	~~: There are more in the MIT and SAIL archives, but I gather they may not be official BBN control center files.~~
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−	:: Yes, I've had a hard time finding them in the past! I have a small number of versions squirreled away on my desk-top (they are useful research tools), but I don't think I made a note of where they came from, alas.
−	:: I wouldn't worry about whether they are official or not; the data is what's important. E.g. the MIT host tables had a long list of Chaosnet machines, which of course would not be in the BB+N ones. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 19:40, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
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−	::: The [https://saildart.org/%5BNET,SYS%5D SAIL files called NAMES[NET,SYS]] run from 1972 to 1978. Apparently [https://saildart.org/%5BNET,MRC%5D HOSTS.TXT[NET,MRC]] took it from there to 1982. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 20:07, 9 August 2023 (CEST)

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	:: Yes, I've had a hard time finding them in the past! I have a small number of versions squirreled away on my desk-top (they are useful research tools), but I don't think I made a note of where they came from, alas.		:: Yes, I've had a hard time finding them in the past! I have a small number of versions squirreled away on my desk-top (they are useful research tools), but I don't think I made a note of where they came from, alas.
	:: I wouldn't worry about whether they are official or not; the data is what's important. E.g. the MIT host tables had a long list of Chaosnet machines, which of course would not be in the BB+N ones. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 19:40, 9 August 2023 (CEST)		:: I wouldn't worry about whether they are official or not; the data is what's important. E.g. the MIT host tables had a long list of Chaosnet machines, which of course would not be in the BB+N ones. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 19:40, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
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		+	::: The [https://saildart.org/%5BNET,SYS%5D SAIL files called NAMES[NET,SYS]] run from 1972 to 1978. Apparently [https://saildart.org/%5BNET,MRC%5D HOSTS.TXT[NET,MRC]] took it from there to 1982. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 20:07, 9 August 2023 (CEST)

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 : On the other hand, the 1977 RFC implies SAIL did have a server, and I found FNGSER.MID[NET,MRC] from February 1978. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 19:17, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
 Speaking of ARPANET host tables, I now there are a few online, but a Web search couldn't find them (for the above). Any you know of, could we link to? Probably from [[ARPANET]] for the moment; I don't see any need for an ARPANET-host-table-specific at the moment. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 18:20, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
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 : There are more in the MIT and SAIL archives, but I gather they may not be official BBN control center files.
 : [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 18:48, 9 August 2023 (CEST)

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 : I guess it was a short leap to provide this data over the network, although that was years later.  '''SAIL didn't have a server at first.'''  As of January 1978: "At this writing, only the following sites respond to a network FINGER:  all MIT ITS sites (ai, mc, ml, dm), sri-kl, sri-ka, and office-1."
 : [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 18:48, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
 Speaking of ARPANET host tables, I now there are a few online, but a Web search couldn't find them (for the above). Any you know of, could we link to? Probably from [[ARPANET]] for the moment; I don't see any need for an ARPANET-host-table-specific at the moment. [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 18:20, 9 August 2023 (CEST)

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 : It started as a local tool to see logged-in users, ''their physical location'', and the whereabouts of ''free terminals''.  The earliest version on record I find is this one: https://www.saildart.org/FINGER.SAI[S,LES]1
-: I guess it was a short leap to provide this data over the network, although that was years later.  '''SAIL didn't have a server at first.'''  As of 1975: "At this writing, only the following sites respond to a network FINGER:  all MIT ITS sites (ai, mc, ml, dm), sri-kl, sri-ka, and office-1."
+: I guess it was a short leap to provide this data over the network, although that was years later.  '''SAIL didn't have a server at first.'''  As of January 1978: "At this writing, only the following sites respond to a network FINGER:  all MIT ITS sites (ai, mc, ml, dm), sri-kl, sri-ka, and office-1."
 : [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 18:48, 9 August 2023 (CEST)

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	I wonder why someone at ''Stanford'' invented it? They only had the one machine (I looked at an early ARPANET host table, and there was only one machine on the Stanford IMP, SAIL) - so no real ''internal'' need. (MIT, I can see the need; with AI, DM and ML.)		I wonder why someone at ''Stanford'' invented it? They only had the one machine (I looked at an early ARPANET host table, and there was only one machine on the Stanford IMP, SAIL) - so no real ''internal'' need. (MIT, I can see the need; with AI, DM and ML.)
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		+	: It started as a local tool to see logged-in users, ''their physical location'', and the whereabouts of ''free terminals''. The earliest version on record I find is this one: https://www.saildart.org/FINGER.SAI[S,LES]1
		+	: I guess it was a short leap to provide this data over the network, although that was years later. '''SAIL didn't have a server at first.''' As of 1975: "At this writing, only the following sites respond to a network FINGER: all MIT ITS sites (ai, mc, ml, dm), sri-kl, sri-ka, and office-1."
		+	: [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 18:48, 9 August 2023 (CEST)

	Speaking of ARPANET host tables, I now there are a few online, but a Web search couldn't find them (for the above). Any you know of, could we link to? Probably from [[ARPANET]] for the moment; I don't see any need for an ARPANET-host-table-specific at the moment. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:20, 9 August 2023 (CEST)		Speaking of ARPANET host tables, I now there are a few online, but a Web search couldn't find them (for the above). Any you know of, could we link to? Probably from [[ARPANET]] for the moment; I don't see any need for an ARPANET-host-table-specific at the moment. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:20, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
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		+	: There are surprisingly few host tables from the NCP era! My go-to resource is here: https://github.com/ttkzw/hosts.txt
		+	: There are more in the MIT and SAIL archives, but I gather they may not be official BBN control center files.
		+	: [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 18:48, 9 August 2023 (CEST)