Talk:SIMH - Revision history

Jnc: /* Renaming / Revising SIMH pages */ Redirects and moves are a complex subject

2026-09-08T12:12:10Z

Renaming / Revising SIMH pages: Redirects and moves are a complex subject

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	:::: I started with moving SIMH to SimH Classic (which is used on their own web page), but the automatically generated redirect is in the way now for moving SIMH/Draft to SIMH. So this time I do really need your help, don't I? Next steps will be to revise existing/add the missing page(s). [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 07:41, 8 September 2026 (UTC)		:::: I started with moving SIMH to SimH Classic (which is used on their own web page), but the automatically generated redirect is in the way now for moving SIMH/Draft to SIMH. So this time I do really need your help, don't I? Next steps will be to revise existing/add the missing page(s). [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 07:41, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

			::::: Redirects and moves are a complex subject; when I go to do a move, I am given the choice of not "Leav[ing] a redirect behind", but I don't know if only admins get that option (they might). Similarly, I am given the choice to not "Move [the] associated talk page" (of a normal article page), but again, I don't know if ordinary users get that (especially, in the latest version of MediaWiki).
			::::: Also, I thought that ordinary users are allowed to move an ordinary article page on top of a redirect; you can see in [[Special:RecentChanges]] that when I put this [[Talk:SIMH]] page back where it was to start with (it seemed to me the best place for it, at a central location in the group; there's a redirect from [[Talk:SimH Classic]] to it), MediaWiki automagically deleted the redirect at the destination. Again, maybe the latest version of MediaWiki doesn't allow that for ordinary users.
			::::: Anyway, you should be all set now! [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 12:11, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Jnc: Jnc moved page Talk:SimH Classic to Talk:SIMH over redirect: Probably the best place to place this discussion

2026-09-08T11:52:11Z

Jnc moved page Talk:SimH Classic to Talk:SIMH over redirect: Probably the best place to place this discussion

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Vaxorcist: /* Renaming / Revising SIMH pages */

2026-09-08T07:41:06Z

Renaming / Revising SIMH pages

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	::: After thinking about it for a while, I basically agree with you; the way to handle this is to move the current [[SIMH]] page (and history) to [[Classic SIMH]] (since, as you indicate, that name has been "established to refer to the original SIMH"); [[SIMH]] needs to be a new page, basically a disambiguation page, but including a ''short'' history of SIMH. After looking at [[SIMH/Draft]], I guess that will do for this, but it has more detailed content than I would have put there (e.g. the info on file formats); but I guess if those are the same for all the versions, it makes sense to put them there.		::: After thinking about it for a while, I basically agree with you; the way to handle this is to move the current [[SIMH]] page (and history) to [[Classic SIMH]] (since, as you indicate, that name has been "established to refer to the original SIMH"); [[SIMH]] needs to be a new page, basically a disambiguation page, but including a ''short'' history of SIMH. After looking at [[SIMH/Draft]], I guess that will do for this, but it has more detailed content than I would have put there (e.g. the info on file formats); but I guess if those are the same for all the versions, it makes sense to put them there.
	::: [[OpenSIMH]] you will have to create; it might start as a stub with just links to the online area/work. For 'New SIMH', I would recommend asking the New SIMH community what they think its formal name should be. Then, you will have to write it! [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:07, 6 September 2026 (UTC)		::: [[OpenSIMH]] you will have to create; it might start as a stub with just links to the online area/work. For 'New SIMH', I would recommend asking the New SIMH community what they think its formal name should be. Then, you will have to write it! [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:07, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

			:::: I started with moving SIMH to SimH Classic (which is used on their own web page), but the automatically generated redirect is in the way now for moving SIMH/Draft to SIMH. So this time I do really need your help, don't I? Next steps will be to revise existing/add the missing page(s). [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 07:41, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Vaxorcist: Vaxorcist moved page Talk:SIMH to Talk:SimH Classic: Distinction between SimH variants

2026-09-08T07:28:06Z

Vaxorcist moved page Talk:SIMH to Talk:SimH Classic: Distinction between SimH variants

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Jnc: /* Renaming / Revising SIMH pages */ That makes sense

2026-09-06T18:08:33Z

Renaming / Revising SIMH pages: That makes sense

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	::* SIMH, which shall become the "Classic SIMH" (it is already, but needs an update)		::* SIMH, which shall become the "Classic SIMH" (it is already, but needs an update)
	::* New SIMH, which is probably the hardest to write about (at least for me)		::* New SIMH, which is probably the hardest to write about (at least for me)
	::* OpenSIMH, which carries the spirit and recommandation of Bob Supnik		::* OpenSIMH, which carries the spirit and recommandation of Bob Supnik
	[[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]])
			:: [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]])

			::: After thinking about it for a while, I basically agree with you; the way to handle this is to move the current [[SIMH]] page (and history) to [[Classic SIMH]] (since, as you indicate, that name has been "established to refer to the original SIMH"); [[SIMH]] needs to be a new page, basically a disambiguation page, but including a ''short'' history of SIMH. After looking at [[SIMH/Draft]], I guess that will do for this, but it has more detailed content than I would have put there (e.g. the info on file formats); but I guess if those are the same for all the versions, it makes sense to put them there.
			::: [[OpenSIMH]] you will have to create; it might start as a stub with just links to the online area/work. For 'New SIMH', I would recommend asking the New SIMH community what they think its formal name should be. Then, you will have to write it! [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:07, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Vaxorcist: /* Renaming / Revising SIMH pages */

2026-09-06T15:06:59Z

Renaming / Revising SIMH pages

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	: Is the term "'Classic' SIMH" really in use to refer to the old one? Does that version get enough use to make it worth having a separate article for it (as opposed to just covering it in the same article as the current one)? Mind, I don't have a strong preference either way; I am just trying to work out what makes the most sense.		: Is the term "'Classic' SIMH" really in use to refer to the old one? Does that version get enough use to make it worth having a separate article for it (as opposed to just covering it in the same article as the current one)? Mind, I don't have a strong preference either way; I am just trying to work out what makes the most sense.
	: I took a look at [[SIMH/Draft]], and the article here, and there is a lot of content in this article that isn't in the Draft one, so we'd need to do something a little more complicated than just do some moves. But let's work out the previous point first. (If we wind up editing the good ideas/content from Draft in to this one, or something, don't worry; I can merge the two histories into one once the editing process is complete.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 21:25, 2 September 2026 (UTC)		: I took a look at [[SIMH/Draft]], and the article here, and there is a lot of content in this article that isn't in the Draft one, so we'd need to do something a little more complicated than just do some moves. But let's work out the previous point first. (If we wind up editing the good ideas/content from Draft in to this one, or something, don't worry; I can merge the two histories into one once the editing process is complete.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 21:25, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

			:: There are three variants of SIMH - whether that is desirable or not. And in my opinion, they differ sufficiently from one another to keep them separate.
			::The term "Classic SIMH" has become established to refer to the original SIMH written by Bob Supnik. There's still development on this variant, although somewhat sluggish.

			::The "New SIMH" is my own wording - the most important difference to the Classic SIMH is the introduction of asynchronous I/O, an improved clock and several other useful additions. Sometimes you can see that this version is called the "V4 SIMH", but I think that's not a good idea as some time sooner or later it might become V5. I was even tempted to call it "Closed SIMH", but I do not want to provoke anyone, even if I do not like what he's doing.

			::"OpenSIMH" is an official name given by the founders of the newest SIMH version.

			::All in all I think it needs clearly distinguishable names to avoid more confuision as there already is. Imagine a beginner stumbling into this chaos of three similar, but still very different in detail, versions!

			::If I had one wish in "bit heaven", I would pray for the reunification of "New SIMH" and "OpenSIMH."

			::There are probably good reasons to keep the "Classic SIMH" and a modernized SIMH apart, but noone needs a third one. What a waste of precious time, ideas and resources! Life is too short for such (some rude words here).

			::And you're right, all the SIMH related pages need to be more or less revised or created:

			::* SIMH/Draft, which shall become the "common" SIMH page
			::* SIMH, which shall become the "Classic SIMH" (it is already, but needs an update)
			::* New SIMH, which is probably the hardest to write about (at least for me)
			::* OpenSIMH, which carries the spirit and recommandation of Bob Supnik
			[[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]])

Jnc: /* Renaming / Revising SIMH pages */ Some questions

2026-09-02T21:25:26Z

Renaming / Revising SIMH pages: Some questions

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	and revise both pages.		and revise both pages.
	What do you think? [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]])		What do you think? [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]])

			: Is the term "'Classic' SIMH" really in use to refer to the old one? Does that version get enough use to make it worth having a separate article for it (as opposed to just covering it in the same article as the current one)? Mind, I don't have a strong preference either way; I am just trying to work out what makes the most sense.
			: I took a look at [[SIMH/Draft]], and the article here, and there is a lot of content in this article that isn't in the Draft one, so we'd need to do something a little more complicated than just do some moves. But let's work out the previous point first. (If we wind up editing the good ideas/content from Draft in to this one, or something, don't worry; I can merge the two histories into one once the editing process is complete.) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 21:25, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

Vaxorcist: /* Renaming / Revising SIMH pages */ new section

2026-09-02T19:29:10Z

Renaming / Revising SIMH pages: new section

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	: O.k., I will [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:23, 3 April 2023 (CEST)		: O.k., I will [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:23, 3 April 2023 (CEST)

			== Renaming / Revising SIMH pages ==

			I think it is time (or rather, long overdue) to rename the following pages:
			* SIMH to "Classic" SIMH
			* SIMH/Draft to SIMH
			and revise both pages.
			What do you think? [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]])

Vaxorcist at 16:23, 3 April 2023

2023-04-03T16:23:33Z

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	Don't do a 'cut and paste' to move the content from [[SIMH/Draft]] to here; let me know, and I can merge the two pages. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:02, 3 April 2023 (CEST)		Don't do a 'cut and paste' to move the content from [[SIMH/Draft]] to here; let me know, and I can merge the two pages. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:02, 3 April 2023 (CEST)

			: O.k., I will [[User:Vaxorcist\|Vaxorcist]] ([[User talk:Vaxorcist\|talk]]) 18:23, 3 April 2023 (CEST)

Jnc: /* New content */ new section

2023-04-03T16:02:55Z

New content: new section

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	: Sounds good to me. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 19:14, 2 April 2023 (CEST)		: Sounds good to me. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 19:14, 2 April 2023 (CEST)

			== New content ==

			Don't do a 'cut and paste' to move the content from [[SIMH/Draft]] to here; let me know, and I can merge the two pages. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 18:02, 3 April 2023 (CEST)