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Jnc: /* Location of ITS KS10 machines? */ MOON's office was 926

2024-11-15T18:39:44Z

‎Location of ITS KS10 machines?: MOON's office was 926

Jnc: /* A note giving some later history */ new section

2024-11-14T21:19:22Z

‎A note giving some later history: new section

Jnc: /* Location of ITS KS10 machines? */ The LHDH-11 ''was'' a rack-mounted unit

2024-11-13T15:45:22Z

‎Location of ITS KS10 machines?: The LHDH-11 ''was'' a rack-mounted unit

Jnc: /* Location of ITS KS10 machines? */ One image is the MIT ITS KS's, but maybe not the other?

2024-11-13T15:33:12Z

‎Location of ITS KS10 machines?: One image is the MIT ITS KS's, but maybe not the other?

Larsbrinkhoff: /* Location of ITS KS10 machines? */ Food for thought.

2024-11-13T10:40:44Z

‎Location of ITS KS10 machines?: Food for thought.

Jnc: /* Location of ITS KS10 machines? */ The location of the KS's, as I recall them

2024-11-12T16:23:39Z

‎Location of ITS KS10 machines?: The location of the KS's, as I recall them

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Larsbrinkhoff: /* Location of ITS KS10 machines? */ new section

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‎Location of ITS KS10 machines?: new section

Larsbrinkhoff: 9th floor today?

2024-02-09T13:53:55Z

9th floor today?

Jnc: /* Name */ No, the number always comes before the name

2023-06-16T11:01:13Z

‎Name: No, the number always comes before the name

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 : I'm not absolutely positive those are the ITS KS's. But I don't remember them well enough to be certain. But there are some things that make me suspicious; e.g. in the picture that shows two RP06's between two KS's, there seems to be a window at the end of the row (see the shades?). That would have been impossible at Tech Sq; the KS's were in a row ''parallel'' to the Tech Sq exterior wall. So, at the 'far end' of the group, if this is a picture of the Tech Sq KS's, that wall would have been the wall to MOON's office (925, or possibly 926 - I don't remember the number definitely), so it couldn't have had an exterior window; [https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803898 this picture] shows that wall.
 : The machines were definitely mostly where ML-KA10 had been; although I have a vague memory that either the DM-KS10 or the MC-KS10 was where the end of DM-KA10 closest to ML-KA10 had been. That is, the KS's were all in a contiguous group, mostly where ML-KA10 had been, but with a little overflow further up. The picture above shows the space where they were.
 : I guess I should do a plan of the 9th floor machine area in the MC era (from the XGP, around through where MC was); that [[:File:9th floor techsquare.png|hacked map]] is really somewhat inaccurate, when it comes to that era. (I see the captions of Brou's pictures have been updated at the CHM - did you point them at my annotated list?) [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 17:22, 12 November 2024 (CET)

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	::: We ''do'' have an [[LHDH-11]] page; I couldn't find it (which confused me, because I thought I had done one). It ''was'' a rack unit ("mounted within a single, rack-mounted unit", per the manual). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2024 (CET)		::: We ''do'' have an [[LHDH-11]] page; I couldn't find it (which confused me, because I thought I had done one). It ''was'' a rack unit ("mounted within a single, rack-mounted unit", per the manual). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2024 (CET)
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		+	== A note giving some later history ==
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		+	Garrett Wollman wrote me a lengthy email message which pretty well covers the time between when personal computers (mostly workstations, at the stage) started to come in, and the two Labs' de-camping to the new building. He has been nice enough to let me [[Talk:Technology Square/Wollman\|post it here]], as source data for anyone who wants to extend the coverage of the page, time-wise.
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		+	The history at the moment runs through about 1987; at the point, LCS were still mostly depending on time-sharing systems (VAXen running Unix), with some people having switched to [[IBM PC]]s; the AI Lab was using a mix of VAXen and LISP machines (but not yet one per person). Garrett's note starts in 1994. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 22:19, 14 November 2024 (CET)

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	::: Also, since the first image shows two KS's, if the second image was taken at the same time, those two KS's would have to be the ''other'' two KS's. But there was one of the other ITS KS's which [[ITS machine configurations\|had an RM80]] - and only the AI-KS had two RP06's (and we know its in the other image).		::: Also, since the first image shows two KS's, if the second image was taken at the same time, those two KS's would have to be the ''other'' two KS's. But there was one of the other ITS KS's which [[ITS machine configurations\|had an RM80]] - and only the AI-KS had two RP06's (and we know its in the other image).
	::: So I am increasingly thinking that that latter image is ''not'' of the ITS KS's. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:32, 13 November 2024 (CET)		::: So I am increasingly thinking that that latter image is ''not'' of the ITS KS's. [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:32, 13 November 2024 (CET)
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		+	::: We ''do'' have an [[LHDH-11]] page; I couldn't find it (which confused me, because I thought I had done one). It ''was'' a rack unit ("mounted within a single, rack-mounted unit", per the manual). [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2024 (CET)

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 :: * People remember that AI had a punched card taped to it; in the photo we can see something that could be that.
 :: * AI has two old panels on top, which we believe to be Alan Bawden's mementos from AIKA.
-:: * The owner of the photos was an ITS tourist in the 80s, so presumably he would have been interested in seeing the ITS machines.  (Weak argument, I know.)
+:: * The owner of the photos was an ITS tourist in the 80s, so presumably he would have been interested in seeing the ITS machines.  (Weak argument, I know.) [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 10:40, 13 November 2024

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	: The machines were definitely mostly where ML-KA10 had been; although I have a vague memory that either the DM-KS10 or the MC-KS10 was where the end of DM-KA10 closest to ML-KA10 had been. That is, the KS's were all in a contiguous group, mostly where ML-KA10 had been, but with a little overflow further up. The picture above shows the space where they were.		: The machines were definitely mostly where ML-KA10 had been; although I have a vague memory that either the DM-KS10 or the MC-KS10 was where the end of DM-KA10 closest to ML-KA10 had been. That is, the KS's were all in a contiguous group, mostly where ML-KA10 had been, but with a little overflow further up. The picture above shows the space where they were.
	: I guess I should do a plan of the 9th floor machine area in the MC era (from the XGP, around through where MC was); that [[:File:9th floor techsquare.png\|hacked map]] is really somewhat inaccurate, when it comes to that era. (I see the captions of Brou's pictures have been updated at the CHM - did you point them at my annotated list?) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 17:22, 12 November 2024 (CET)		: I guess I should do a plan of the 9th floor machine area in the MC era (from the XGP, around through where MC was); that [[:File:9th floor techsquare.png\|hacked map]] is really somewhat inaccurate, when it comes to that era. (I see the captions of Brou's pictures have been updated at the CHM - did you point them at my annotated list?) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 17:22, 12 November 2024 (CET)
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		+	:: I'm not sure either, but I'll offer this circumstantial evidence for your consideration:
		+	:: * Penny's map of the four KS10s, showing a "mostly linear" arrangement, but with MX(=MC) on the side:
		+	:: https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/its-archives/blob/3018fbcffc1d2333d32aa254f3e62b75db417200/email/ks-its.mail1#L5076-L5079
		+	:: * People remember that AI had a punched card taped to it; in the photo we can see something that could be that.
		+	:: * AI has two old panels on top, which we believe to be Alan Bawden's mementos from AIKA.
		+	:: * The owner of the photos was an ITS tourist in the 80s, so presumably he would have been interested in seeing the ITS machines. (Weak argument, I know.)

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	Noel, do you know where on the 9th floor they were located? [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 13:37, 12 November 2024 (CET)		Noel, do you know where on the 9th floor they were located? [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 13:37, 12 November 2024 (CET)
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		+	: I'm not absolutely positive those are the ITS KS's. But I don't remember them well enough to be certain. But there are some things that make me suspicious; e.g. in the picture that shows two RP06's between two KS's, there seems to be a window at the end of the row (see the shades?). That would have been impossible at Tech Sq; the KS's were in a row ''parallel'' to the Tech Sq exterior wall. So, at the 'far end' of the group, if this is a picture of the Tech Sq KS's, that wall would have been the wall to MOON's office (925, or possibly 926 - I don't remember the number definitely), so it couldn't have had an exterior window; [https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803898 this picture] shows that wall.
		+	: The machines were definitely mostly where ML-KA10 had been; although I have a vague memory that either the DM-KS10 or the MC-KS10 was where the end of DM-KA10 closest to ML-KA10 had been. That is, the KS's were all in a contiguous group, mostly where ML-KA10 had been, but with a little overflow further up. The picture above shows the space where they were.
		+	: I guess I should do a plan of the 9th floor machine area in the MC era (from the XGP, around through where MC was); that [[:File:9th floor techsquare.png\|hacked map]] is really somewhat inaccurate, when it comes to that era. (I see the captions of Brou's pictures have been updated at the CHM - did you point them at my annotated list?) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 17:22, 12 November 2024 (CET)

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 These photos of the KS10 AI, ML, MD, and MC appeared:
-https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/its-archives/blob/master/photos/setala-5.jpg
+https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/its-archives/blob/master/photos/setala-5.jpg<br>
 https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/its-archives/blob/master/photos/setala-1.jpg
 Noel, do you know where on the 9th floor they were located? [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 13:37, 12 November 2024 (CET)

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	By the way, don't put the name of your confidential client in the URL.		By the way, don't put the name of your confidential client in the URL.
	[[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 14:53, 9 February 2024 (CET)		[[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 14:53, 9 February 2024 (CET)
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		+	== Location of ITS KS10 machines? ==
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		+	These photos of the KS10 AI, ML, MD, and MC appeared:
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		+	https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/its-archives/blob/master/photos/setala-5.jpg
		+	https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/its-archives/blob/master/photos/setala-1.jpg
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		+	Noel, do you know where on the 9th floor they were located? [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 13:37, 12 November 2024 (CET)

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	: No, it's a street/mailing address, so the number always comes before the name (as on the sign). (Unlike on a computer model! :-) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 13:01, 16 June 2023 (CEST)		: No, it's a street/mailing address, so the number always comes before the name (as on the sign). (Unlike on a computer model! :-) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 13:01, 16 June 2023 (CEST)
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		+	==9th floor today?==
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		+	This looks no fun.
		+	https://sienaconstruction.com/project/confidential-client-2/
		+	https://sienaconstruction.com/project/confidential-client-2/moderna-9th-floor-1/
		+	By the way, don't put the name of your confidential client in the URL.
		+	[[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 14:53, 9 February 2024 (CET)

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	Isn't the ''proper'' name "Technology Square '''545'''"? [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2023 (CEST)		Isn't the ''proper'' name "Technology Square '''545'''"? [[User:Larsbrinkhoff\|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff\|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2023 (CEST)
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		+	: No, it's a street/mailing address, so the number always comes before the name (as on the sign). (Unlike on a computer model! :-) [[User:Jnc\|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc\|talk]]) 13:01, 16 June 2023 (CEST)