Talk:Unix/32V - Revision history

Jnc: /* Proper capitalization of name */ Let me think about it...

2022-06-20T00:13:54Z

Proper capitalization of name: Let me think about it...

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	I was looking for a page on non-standard architectures, and this showed up:		I was looking for a page on non-standard architectures, and this showed up:
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	[[User:ForOldHack\|ForOldHack]] ([[User talk:ForOldHack\|talk]]) 01:08, 6 September 2019 (CEST)		[[User:ForOldHack\|ForOldHack]] ([[User talk:ForOldHack\|talk]]) 01:08, 6 September 2019 (CEST)

			==Proper capitalization of name==

			The 'Summary' document in the distro calls it 'UNIX/32V'. I suppose I should move/rename it, but the spelling switched from 'UNIX' to 'Unix' around V7, but since this post-dated V7, it would be sort of confusing to use the spelling as in the doc. Let me think about it... 02:13, 20 June 2022 (CEST)

Jnc: Jnc moved page Talk:32v to Talk:Unix/32V: Actual name, per original Bell docs

2022-05-01T19:36:29Z

Jnc moved page Talk:32v to Talk:Unix/32V: Actual name, per original Bell docs

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Jnc: Add sig, fmt to be clear what's quoted and what's not

2019-09-06T16:18:17Z

Add sig, fmt to be clear what's quoted and what's not

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	I was looking for a page on non-standard architectures, and this showed up:		I was looking for a page on non-standard architectures, and this showed up:

	"The VAX is like a 32-bit PDP. It’s the next machine in PDP evolution. People enjoyed coding for the VAX with its nice flat memory and uniform pointers of all types. People liked it so much that the term “VAXocentric” referred to sloppy coding by those who got too comfortable with the architecture and who didn’t bother to learn how other computers differed.		: The VAX is like a 32-bit PDP. It’s the next machine in PDP evolution. People enjoyed coding for the VAX with its nice flat memory and uniform pointers of all types. People liked it so much that the term “VAXocentric” referred to sloppy coding by those who got too comfortable with the architecture and who didn’t bother to learn how other computers differed.

	The assembly for x86-64 looks externally similar to VAX, and people originally believed VAX would outlast Intel. This proved incorrect, as the “attack of the micros” destroyed the mainframe and minicomputer markets.		: The assembly for x86-64 looks externally similar to VAX, and people originally believed VAX would outlast Intel. This proved incorrect, as the “attack of the micros” destroyed the mainframe and minicomputer markets.

	Datatype sizes:		: Datatype sizes:
			:* char — 8
			:* short — 16
			:* int — 32
			:* long — 32

	~~char —~~ 8		: Programs run faster with data aligned properly, but there is no strict alignment requirement, unlike previous architectures such as the IBM 360, PDP-11, Interdata 8/32 etc. Size and alignment attributes are logically independent. The VAX-11 C compiler aligns all the basic data types on address boundaries which are multiples of the size of each type.
	~~short — 16~~
	~~int — 32~~
	~~long —~~ 32

	~~Programs run faster with data aligned properly, but there is no strict alignment requirement, unlike previous architectures such as~~ the ~~IBM 360, PDP~~-~~11, Interdata 8/32 etc~~. ~~Size and alignment attributes~~ are ~~logically independent~~. The VAX~~-11 C compiler aligns all the basic data types on address boundaries which are multiples of the size of each type~~.		: Other facts: the VAX C compiler doesn’t guarantee left-to-right evaluation of function arguments. Chars are signed by default. The PDP was OK with division by zero and returned the dividend, but VAX causes an unmaskable trap.

	~~Other facts~~: the VAX ~~C compiler doesn’t guarantee left-to-right evaluation~~ of ~~function arguments. Chars are signed~~ by ~~default. The PDP was OK with division by zero and returned the dividend, but VAX causes an unmaskable trap~~.		: Bell Labs wrote an interesting report about porting programs from the PDP to VAX, and some of their recommendations were adopted by ANSI C."

	~~Bell Labs wrote an interesting report about porting programs~~ from ~~the PDP to VAX, and some of their recommendations were adopted by ANSI C."~~		From: [https://begriffs.com/posts/2018-11-15-c-portability.html C Portability Lessons from Weird Machines]

	*C Portability Lessons from Weird Machines [~~https~~:~~//begriffs.com/posts/2018-11-15-c-portability.html~~]		[[User:ForOldHack\|ForOldHack]] ([[User talk:ForOldHack\|talk]]) 01:08, 6 September 2019 (CEST)

ForOldHack: /* really interesting archicture quote */

2019-09-05T23:08:03Z

really interesting archicture quote

New page

I was looking for a page on non-standard architectures, and this showed up:

"The VAX is like a 32-bit PDP. It’s the next machine in PDP evolution. People enjoyed coding for the VAX with its nice flat memory and uniform pointers of all types. People liked it so much that the term “VAXocentric” referred to sloppy coding by those who got too comfortable with the architecture and who didn’t bother to learn how other computers differed.

The assembly for x86-64 looks externally similar to VAX, and people originally believed VAX would outlast Intel. This proved incorrect, as the “attack of the micros” destroyed the mainframe and minicomputer markets.

Datatype sizes:

char — 8
short — 16
int — 32
long — 32

Programs run faster with data aligned properly, but there is no strict alignment requirement, unlike previous architectures such as the IBM 360, PDP-11, Interdata 8/32 etc. Size and alignment attributes are logically independent. The VAX-11 C compiler aligns all the basic data types on address boundaries which are multiples of the size of each type.

Other facts: the VAX C compiler doesn’t guarantee left-to-right evaluation of function arguments. Chars are signed by default. The PDP was OK with division by zero and returned the dividend, but VAX causes an unmaskable trap.

Bell Labs wrote an interesting report about porting programs from the PDP to VAX, and some of their recommendations were adopted by ANSI C."

*C Portability Lessons from Weird Machines [https://begriffs.com/posts/2018-11-15-c-portability.html]