https://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Workstation&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Workstation - Revision history2024-03-29T13:13:52ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0https://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Workstation&diff=23219&oldid=prevJnc: /* Members */ New terminology2021-03-25T18:54:51Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Members: </span> New terminology</span></p>
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</table>Jnchttps://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Workstation&diff=23208&oldid=prevLarsbrinkhoff: Undecided about single-user computers.2021-03-25T09:46:39Z<p>Undecided about single-user computers.</p>
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</table>Larsbrinkhoffhttps://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Workstation&diff=23206&oldid=prevJnc: Interesting question!2021-03-24T13:59:15Z<p>Interesting question!</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Interesting question! I think the reason the Alto doesn't (usually - I did previously put it in [[:Category:Workstations]] here :-) get thought of as a 'workstation' is mostly (for us older folks :-) because it appeared ''before'' the concept of a 'workstation' appeared; i.e. we'd previously mentally tagged it as something else, and when the 'workstation' tag appeared, we didn't go back and mentally re-categorize it. It's also possibly because 'workstations' were (at least, as I recall) often targeted at computationally demanding uses (ones beyond low-end PC's) - and the Alto was not really well-endowed with computing 'crunch' (and certainly not used for computationally demanding tasks like modelling, etc).</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Jnchttps://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Workstation&diff=23202&oldid=prevLarsbrinkhoff: Microprocessor?2021-03-24T06:25:51Z<p>Microprocessor?</p>
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</table>Larsbrinkhoffhttps://gunkies.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Workstation&diff=23199&oldid=prevLarsbrinkhoff: How about the Alto?2021-03-24T06:09:38Z<p>How about the Alto?</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>It would seem the Alto meets the criteria but it's often left out of the workstation category. Thoughts? [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 07:09, 24 March 2021 (CET)</div>Larsbrinkhoff