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: Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a [[DF10]] next to the TM10; you can see them both in [https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/still-image/2024/01/102803897-03-02-acc.jpg this image]. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at [[ITS machine configurations#MC KL10]], you can see it's listed there. | : Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a [[DF10]] next to the TM10; you can see them both in [https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/still-image/2024/01/102803897-03-02-acc.jpg this image]. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at [[ITS machine configurations#MC KL10]], you can see it's listed there. | ||
: I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST) | : I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg]] shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST) | ||
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| + | According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Larsbrinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 09:17, 15 August 2024 (CEST) | ||
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| + | : Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way. I only drew in the two wide (I forget the exact width; it'll be in the PDP-10 documentation) cabinets, and left out the two 19-1/2" cabinets (one on each end). The one on the right is standard in KL10's; it always holds the boot front end. The drawing is actually accurate for the two wide bays; the CPU (Ebox and Mbox) is in the right-hand one; the left hand one holds the [[DMA20 Memory Bus Adapter|DMA20]], [[DIA20 In/Out Bus Controller|DIA20]], and [[DTE20 Ten-Eleven Interface|DTE20]], and all the connectors associated therewith (I guess technically the DMA20 isn't "I/O", though). No [[RH20 MASSBUS controller|RH20s]] on MC (they would be in that cabinet in a 'normal' KL10). [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 12:47, 15 August 2024 (CEST) | ||
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| + | : PS: There's a good image on pg. 77 of the PDF [http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp10/KL10/EK-108OU-PD-002_KL10-Based_Physical_Description_Mar77.pdf here] which shows the layout of things in the main I/O cabinet of the Model A KL10. The DIA20 and DMA20 are in the 'Bay 1 backplane'; the sole DTE20 is in the 'Bay 2 backplane'. (The next page has an image which shows where the RH20's would be.) [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 16:12, 16 August 2024 (CEST) | ||
Latest revision as of 15:12, 16 August 2024
Missing DF10
I sent Stephen Jones the photos. He says there's also a DF10C by the DL10. Larsbrinkhoff (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (CEST)
- Yes; I had worked out from the images uploaded at the CHM that there was a DF10 next to the TM10; you can see them both in this image. (I forget which is which, but if you look at the manuals for the two, their indicator panels are quite different, so it's easy to tell.) If you look at ITS machine configurations#MC KL10, you can see it's listed there.
- I hadn't bothered to update the diagram, as Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MC-KL_Layout.jpg shows it's not used in any articles - should I? (I think I did a reasonable job on it, going only from memory - I even got the T-300's in the right place! I wonder if the TU41 got moved to the center to make room for the 2nd+3rd T-300's? I have a definite memory of it being in the middle.) Jnc (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2024 (CEST)
KL-UDGE
According to photos (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102803897) that came up earlier this year, the KL-UDGE should be "south" of CPU and I/O. Larsbrinkhoff (talk) 09:17, 15 August 2024 (CEST)
- Yes, I only drew in the "I/O-CPU" bays in the most cursory way. I only drew in the two wide (I forget the exact width; it'll be in the PDP-10 documentation) cabinets, and left out the two 19-1/2" cabinets (one on each end). The one on the right is standard in KL10's; it always holds the boot front end. The drawing is actually accurate for the two wide bays; the CPU (Ebox and Mbox) is in the right-hand one; the left hand one holds the DMA20, DIA20, and DTE20, and all the connectors associated therewith (I guess technically the DMA20 isn't "I/O", though). No RH20s on MC (they would be in that cabinet in a 'normal' KL10). Jnc (talk) 12:47, 15 August 2024 (CEST)
- PS: There's a good image on pg. 77 of the PDF here which shows the layout of things in the main I/O cabinet of the Model A KL10. The DIA20 and DMA20 are in the 'Bay 1 backplane'; the sole DTE20 is in the 'Bay 2 backplane'. (The next page has an image which shows where the RH20's would be.) Jnc (talk) 16:12, 16 August 2024 (CEST)
