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Was SUDS of any influence at DEC, on their CAD tools? There is a [https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/rOivGYRZnT4/m/RgU8Kz6GMXkJ report] that it was "licensed to DEC for the SuperFoonly => KL10 project, which was how Dick Helliwell ended up at DEC", but I'd be hesitant to rely on that, as Rich Alderson (generally knowledgeable, but I'm not sure he was ever at DEC) might be confusing it with the SuperFoonly ''itself'', which definitely ''did'' wind up at DEC (to be toned down into the KL10). [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 17:15, 6 January 2024 (CET) | Was SUDS of any influence at DEC, on their CAD tools? There is a [https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/rOivGYRZnT4/m/RgU8Kz6GMXkJ report] that it was "licensed to DEC for the SuperFoonly => KL10 project, which was how Dick Helliwell ended up at DEC", but I'd be hesitant to rely on that, as Rich Alderson (generally knowledgeable, but I'm not sure he was ever at DEC) might be confusing it with the SuperFoonly ''itself'', which definitely ''did'' wind up at DEC (to be toned down into the KL10). [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 17:15, 6 January 2024 (CET) | ||
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| + | Urr, I'm a moron! [http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/engineering/The_Stanford_University_Design_System_Overview.pdf The Stanford University Design System Overview] sez "SUDS is configured to run on either DECsystem 10 or 20 operating systems with graphics terminals"; "communicate with other CAD processes used at DEC"; and "SUDS is actually only the starting point in a whole array of computer-aided (CAD) tools under development at DEC". | ||
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| + | The fact that that document came out of DEC Engineering should have clued me in! I didn't notice that at first; I assumed it was written at SAIL. | ||
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| + | Now that my brain has turned on, I started to wonder about other influence paths; something rang a bell about a path through the [[S-1 supercomputer]], and sure enough, ''[https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/s1.html S-1 Supercomputer (1975-1988)]'' reveals "McWilliams and Widdoes [designers of the S-1] are even better known for the major advances in CAD tools for logic design that they developed as part of the early days of the project and for the startup company they founded, Valid Logic Systems". That also reveals that SUDS was integrated in SCALD I by McWilliams and Widdoes. | ||
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| + | So it was a ''very'' consequential system indeed! [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] ([[User talk:Jnc|talk]]) 17:48, 6 January 2024 (CET) | ||
Revision as of 17:49, 6 January 2024
SUDS at DEC?
Was SUDS of any influence at DEC, on their CAD tools? There is a report that it was "licensed to DEC for the SuperFoonly => KL10 project, which was how Dick Helliwell ended up at DEC", but I'd be hesitant to rely on that, as Rich Alderson (generally knowledgeable, but I'm not sure he was ever at DEC) might be confusing it with the SuperFoonly itself, which definitely did wind up at DEC (to be toned down into the KL10). Jnc (talk) 17:15, 6 January 2024 (CET)
Urr, I'm a moron! The Stanford University Design System Overview sez "SUDS is configured to run on either DECsystem 10 or 20 operating systems with graphics terminals"; "communicate with other CAD processes used at DEC"; and "SUDS is actually only the starting point in a whole array of computer-aided (CAD) tools under development at DEC".
The fact that that document came out of DEC Engineering should have clued me in! I didn't notice that at first; I assumed it was written at SAIL.
Now that my brain has turned on, I started to wonder about other influence paths; something rang a bell about a path through the S-1 supercomputer, and sure enough, S-1 Supercomputer (1975-1988) reveals "McWilliams and Widdoes [designers of the S-1] are even better known for the major advances in CAD tools for logic design that they developed as part of the early days of the project and for the startup company they founded, Valid Logic Systems". That also reveals that SUDS was integrated in SCALD I by McWilliams and Widdoes.
So it was a very consequential system indeed! Jnc (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2024 (CET)
