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[[User:Neozeed|neozeed]] 03:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 
[[User:Neozeed|neozeed]] 03:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
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I tried the windows package you made. Works like a charm. Judging machdep.c you can tone down -m to 64 though.
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[[User:Dugo|Dugo]]
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Yeah I kind of figured... It's like NT 3.1 back in the day, those boards could only go to 64MB, and we were RICH if we had 16..!  I managed to build gcc 2.5.8 on 0.1 pl 24 (is that the right name for it?!), but where to go from here...?  I guess [[X11]] is the next big hurdle.. Then I guess [[Quake]] or [[Doom]], but after that... I guess just a matter of keeping it around.
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[[User:Neozeed|neozeed]] 17:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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Well, machdep.c is easy to fix to support more RAM, but then I would be forking it into dugoBSD. That seems a bit out of scope here.
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Not sure what Rodney intended with the version numbers, the last released kit is numbered 0.2.4-B1 or just 0.2.4. I suppose if Jolitz would have given his blessings the kits would bring it to 386BSD 0.2.4, but the kits remained unofficial. Patchlevel refers to individual files and count the number of times they are patched in this context, I think, w/ eg. wd.c going up to patchlevel level 6.
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I don't think this needs to go a lot further, we have a description how to get 386BSD 0.1 to work and how to run the historically significant patch kits. OTOH, it is very cool to see how far this old geezer can be pushed. There is no limit to it. I will not rest until I have it run headless w/ sshd and operating a root nameserver *g*. Would be nice to get that 386BSD.ISO FreeeBSD hosts mounted, which brings me to X.
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Check that CD, there is a bunch of X related stuff on it in dirs with `cons' in the name. At first glance patches and binaries for mono and color and few tools like xroach, xscreensaver. I didn't run into the full xfree86 sources on that CD yet. Will dig.
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[[User:Dugo|Dugo]] 12:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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=== Adding disks. Broken, or I'm Doing It Wrong(TM) ===
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Sometimes you get carried away and want too much. Things don't always work the way you expect them to. Here an example of such a tale.
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With an extra controller in bochsrc you can have 4 disks.
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I added to the bochsrc
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<pre>
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ata1: enabled=1, ioaddr1=0x170, ioaddr2=0x370, irq=15
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ata0-slave: type=disk, path="disk1.img", mode=flat, cylinders=1024, heads=16, spt=63, translation=none, model=generic1
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ata1-master: type=disk, path="disk2.img", mode=flat, cylinders=1024, heads=16, spt=63, translation=none, model=generic2
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ata1-slave: type=disk, path="disk3.img", mode=flat, cylinders=1024, heads=16, spt=63, translation=none, model=generic3
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</pre>
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Boot and as usual do
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<pre>
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rm -r /sys/compile/*
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cd /sys/i386/conf
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</pre>
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Edit the disk parts of BOCHS to:
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<pre>
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controller      wd0    at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr
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controller      wd1    at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr
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disk            wd0    at wd0 drive 0
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disk            wd1    at wd0 drive 1
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disk            wd2    at wd1 drive 0
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disk            wd3    at wd1 drive 1
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</pre>
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Compile the kernel
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config BOCHS
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cd /sys/compile/BOCHS
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make newvers
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make depend
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make
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mv /386bsd /386bsd.old
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cp 386bsd /386bsd
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</pre>
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mknod the new devices:
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<pre>
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cd /dev
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sh /dev/MAKEDEV wd2 wd3
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</pre>
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reboot
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sync; sync; sync
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shutdown -rf now
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</pre>
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At boot there are, the controllers, but not completely as expected, 8 instead of the 4 slots. It is not making sense.
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<pre>
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wd0 0:<generic> 1:<generic1> 2:<generic> 3:<generic1> 4:<generic> at 0x1f0 irq 1
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4 on isa
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wd1 0:<generic> 1:<generic3> 2:<generic> 3:<generic1> 4:<generic> at 0x170 irq 1
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5 on isa
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</pre>
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They mount fine.
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<pre>
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mkdir /mnt/1 /mnt/2 /mnt/3
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mount /dev/wd1a /mnt/1
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mount /dev/wd2a /mnt/2
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mount /dev/wd3a /mnt/3
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</pre>
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But, when you try to map them back to your emulated disks,
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on guest:
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<pre>
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echo XXX_wd1XXX >/mnt/1/driveno
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echo XXX_wd2XXX >/mnt/2/driveno
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echo XXX_wd3XXX >/mnt/3/driveno
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</pre>
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on host:
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$ for i in disk1.img  disk2.img  disk3.img ; do printf "$i: ";strings $i |grep XXX_wd; echo ;done|grep .
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disk1.img: XXX_wd3XXX
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disk2.img:
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disk3.img: XXX_wd1XXX
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</pre>
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One & three got swapped and 2 seems missing. Not good.
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[[User:Dugo|Dugo]] 11:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
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I think the wd controler is hard coded to a single instance... so by adding two of them, it got a little confused, and merged the disk definitions onto the single 'instance' and then pretended to have two of them........
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Back then, I don't recall 2nd WD controllers being that popular, until the rise of the IDE-CDROM's since so many of those came with their own IDE controllers, or were part of a sound card setup, like the soundblasters that moved from that slow ass mitsumi & mashita interface to a secondary IDE interface...
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[[User:Neozeed|neozeed]] 18:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 19:06, 9 May 2010

FYI once patchkit 1's kernel is built, it'll run on Qemu!!.. and a zillion times faster to rebuild world that way...!

0.11.0 works great.. 0.12.3 not so great.

neozeed 03:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I tried the windows package you made. Works like a charm. Judging machdep.c you can tone down -m to 64 though.

Dugo

Yeah I kind of figured... It's like NT 3.1 back in the day, those boards could only go to 64MB, and we were RICH if we had 16..! I managed to build gcc 2.5.8 on 0.1 pl 24 (is that the right name for it?!), but where to go from here...? I guess X11 is the next big hurdle.. Then I guess Quake or Doom, but after that... I guess just a matter of keeping it around.

neozeed 17:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, machdep.c is easy to fix to support more RAM, but then I would be forking it into dugoBSD. That seems a bit out of scope here.

Not sure what Rodney intended with the version numbers, the last released kit is numbered 0.2.4-B1 or just 0.2.4. I suppose if Jolitz would have given his blessings the kits would bring it to 386BSD 0.2.4, but the kits remained unofficial. Patchlevel refers to individual files and count the number of times they are patched in this context, I think, w/ eg. wd.c going up to patchlevel level 6.

I don't think this needs to go a lot further, we have a description how to get 386BSD 0.1 to work and how to run the historically significant patch kits. OTOH, it is very cool to see how far this old geezer can be pushed. There is no limit to it. I will not rest until I have it run headless w/ sshd and operating a root nameserver *g*. Would be nice to get that 386BSD.ISO FreeeBSD hosts mounted, which brings me to X.

Check that CD, there is a bunch of X related stuff on it in dirs with `cons' in the name. At first glance patches and binaries for mono and color and few tools like xroach, xscreensaver. I didn't run into the full xfree86 sources on that CD yet. Will dig.

Dugo 12:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Adding disks. Broken, or I'm Doing It Wrong(TM)

Sometimes you get carried away and want too much. Things don't always work the way you expect them to. Here an example of such a tale.

With an extra controller in bochsrc you can have 4 disks. I added to the bochsrc 

ata1: enabled=1, ioaddr1=0x170, ioaddr2=0x370, irq=15
ata0-slave: type=disk, path="disk1.img", mode=flat, cylinders=1024, heads=16, spt=63, translation=none, model=generic1
ata1-master: type=disk, path="disk2.img", mode=flat, cylinders=1024, heads=16, spt=63, translation=none, model=generic2
ata1-slave: type=disk, path="disk3.img", mode=flat, cylinders=1024, heads=16, spt=63, translation=none, model=generic3

Boot and as usual do 

rm -r /sys/compile/*
cd /sys/i386/conf

Edit the disk parts of BOCHS to: 

controller      wd0     at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr
controller      wd1     at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr
disk            wd0     at wd0 drive 0
disk            wd1     at wd0 drive 1
disk            wd2     at wd1 drive 0
disk            wd3     at wd1 drive 1

Compile the kernel 

config BOCHS
cd /sys/compile/BOCHS
make newvers
make depend
make
mv /386bsd /386bsd.old
cp 386bsd /386bsd

mknod the new devices: 

cd /dev
sh /dev/MAKEDEV wd2 wd3

reboot 

sync; sync; sync
shutdown -rf now

At boot there are, the controllers, but not completely as expected, 8 instead of the 4 slots. It is not making sense. 

wd0 0:<generic> 1:<generic1> 2:<generic> 3:<generic1> 4:<generic> at 0x1f0 irq 1
4 on isa
wd1 0:<generic> 1:<generic3> 2:<generic> 3:<generic1> 4:<generic> at 0x170 irq 1
5 on isa

They mount fine. 

mkdir /mnt/1 /mnt/2 /mnt/3
mount /dev/wd1a /mnt/1
mount /dev/wd2a /mnt/2
mount /dev/wd3a /mnt/3

But, when you try to map them back to your emulated disks, on guest: 

echo XXX_wd1XXX >/mnt/1/driveno
echo XXX_wd2XXX >/mnt/2/driveno
echo XXX_wd3XXX >/mnt/3/driveno

on host: 

$ for i in disk1.img  disk2.img  disk3.img ; do printf "$i: ";strings $i |grep XXX_wd; echo ;done|grep .
disk1.img: XXX_wd3XXX
disk2.img:
disk3.img: XXX_wd1XXX

One & three got swapped and 2 seems missing. Not good.

Dugo 11:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the wd controler is hard coded to a single instance... so by adding two of them, it got a little confused, and merged the disk definitions onto the single 'instance' and then pretended to have two of them........

Back then, I don't recall 2nd WD controllers being that popular, until the rise of the IDE-CDROM's since so many of those came with their own IDE controllers, or were part of a sound card setup, like the soundblasters that moved from that slow ass mitsumi & mashita interface to a secondary IDE interface...

neozeed 18:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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